[TeamManager]

>Jibril, in Onan's case,I believe God was upset at the fact
>that he spilled the sperm in an attempt to deny his brother
>the lineage, rather than the act of spilling the sperm in
>itself.

100% correct

[JERRY LEE JONES]

>Condoms, in the evolution of man, have halted the births of
>many bastards. Condoms are useful in the fight against STI's.
>If we are doing something to ensure our survival, is it a sin
>to use 'unconventional' methods?



Based on this topic, its in my perspective that "sins of the flesh" are ones that true christians shud fight hard not to engage in.

I hear ur arguement on the fact that man has to "ensure their survival" but then again, is sexual abstinence (sp) not an option ? ? ?

Why not jus wait to get married? ?


p.s. i know its not that simple but demn........... lifes a b!atch!!

[m kenya]

>>Reminds me
>>how people used to despise kisses ati it's nasty and
>>unnatural.
>
>Kemi, using your argument, butt sex is currently considered by
>the majority to be nasty and unnatural (especially man-man).
>
>in a couple of years time (if you're alive) should we expect
>you to say, "Come on christians, there is no sin in butt sex"
>?
>
>that is all. i didn't stutter.


Reggie...it cannot evolve to that level. no amount of argument will ever reverse nature's carefully crafted organs..
the butt does not produce mucous, its muscles are programed by nature to open due to pressure from the inside, the muscles on the butt are not that elastic.......
hence there are ready repercussions for those who engage in butt sex...ie bowel dysfunctions....these dysfunctions are a deterrent enough. You dont need to even label the practise sin, the pain in itself will deter any adventorous moffoz...

[reggie_woic]

mkenya, gays love each other, and just like with straight love, they need to have sex. seeing as there is simply no other way to do it, pain is a welcome thing with them, just like with girls and their first times.

have you been to a sex store? you should see the sizes of the dildos there.
believe me when i say: pain is no obstacle when it comes to 'gay love'.

[maryk]

When two joins and God declares em one, He purifies their marriage bed. so everything they do there is sacred if not hurting any of them. They supposed to make the best out of their marriage with no limitations. foreplay is not sin.

[ATLian]

I hear that the Song of Solomon has enough tacit references to oral sex (talk about eating and tasting your juices and such)so I guess it's OK.

I'd think that the only beef god has with sex between men and women is if it's outside marriage. Once you're married I'd assume anything goes as long as it's consentual, be it oral, anal, if you introduce toys, whips or whatever makes your clock tick. Is it wrong if a married Christian couple film themselves having sex, and use that tape only for their own private pleasure? I'd think not, since looking at yourself having sex on tape is almost like having sex in front of a mirror?

[KEMINOKANA]

Atlian,

Very right. Watu wakulane coz here is what the bible says: SS 2:16

16 My lover is mine and I am his; he browses among the lilies.(duh, what is browsing supposed to mean ;))

17 Until the day breaks and the shadows flee, turn, my lover, and be like a gazelle or like a young stag on the rugged hills. (in our common language, the woman is asking to be made love to all night. She says 'young' to imply energy. In other words, tap that thing like there is no tomorrow)

Those verses should tell you that God LOVES freaks in bed. Let go of those fears and get ur freaks on. She/he is all yours! Christians love to limit themselves needlessly.

Reggie, go through songs of solomon and u'll see that kissing and foreplay has been there since the beginning of time.