[ATLian]

>@Teejay
>
>You said 'The Sabbath and its observance is an outstanding
>sign of a true Christian'
>and I am simply asking you to show me one place in the Bible
>where Jesus or any of the Apostles said the same on this
>important issue .... concerning it being a standard/sign for
>measuring true christianity.

God said in the 4th commandment that "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to The Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days The Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

The fact that god specifically commanded this as one of his 10 commandments means that obeying it is one of the signs for measuring a true believer. It doesn't matter if Jesus or the apostles didn't reiterate it, all that matters is that god said it and that supercedes every other command.

[TeamManager]

No one has ever been justified or counted righteous simply by obeying the law. since Adam to today, its ONLY by faith that one has be commended.

If you have examples (from creation until today) .......please share them.

(NB. NO where have I said that Christians shoule live sinful lives)

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Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the
Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

"But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have
also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it
never be!

"For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a
transgressor. For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might
live to God.

"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live,
but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I
live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for
me.

"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Galatians 2:16-21 NASB

[teejay]

>God said in the 4th commandment that "Remember the Sabbath
>day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all
>your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to The Lord your
>God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or
>your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your
>cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six
>days The Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is
>in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore The Lord
>blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
>
>The fact that god specifically commanded this as one of his 10
>commandments means that obeying it is one of the signs for
>measuring a true believer. It doesn't matter if Jesus or the
>apostles didn't reiterate it, all that matters is that god
>said it and that supercedes every other command.

I was hoping TM would see that. Thanks for the help ATlian.

[spairo]

@TM/ TEEJEY.

Jesus said he was sent to the 12 tribes of Israel….that was his mission in this world, not you black African who he once equates you to a dog. Fast truck down the lane over 100 years after his death some clever Romans under Constantine customized Jesus religion to fit their pagan inclinations. This led to manufacturing of Christianity to be more all inclusive to the expansive Roman Empire….which led to you guys getting this new all “inclusive religion.” And compile bible with addition like Jesus telling his followers to go to the world oblivious to his previous instructions of avoiding some towns and tribes.
Were it Jesus was to be resurrect now, he will be surprise by the way the so call his followers worship Elohim;
a. The group now is full of conmen and women, talk of Deya and the false prophet who was charging her followers 200,000ksh to get healing of AIDS. Did Jesus charge his followers to get healings? So which religion are you following if Jesus did not practise conman ship?
b. Homosexuality this is the order of the day in the new found religion, Jesus will die immediately if he sees himself being is associated with this kind of creatures.
c. Talk of unjust rulers of this world, they were and still are from Christianity.
Who is a Christian? ……this is the most confused question ever ask, an accurate answer is just a confuse lot, who even don’t know why they were created.

[teejay]

TM this is what you must know before you quote Paul purposelessly. That in the law is embodied the same principle that is revealed in the Gospel. The Law Point out Man’s guilt. To Christ he, man, must look for Pardon and for power to do what the low enjoins.

[teejay]

While I do concur with you that in the house of God darkness has entered. I disagree that Christ came for the 12 tribes of Judah because that is not what John 3:16 says.
“It begins for God so loved the world…” The world is not synonymous to the “words twelve tribes of Israel.”

Spairo. Leave those conmen alone God has a way of dealing with them.

[Pebbles_Nibbles]

>How can you tell that someone is a christian?


BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. An orange seed can only produce an orange.

[Death]

>BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. An orange seed can only
>produce an orange.

Exactly what does this mean? Because I've seen good people calling themselves christians, and bad ones calling themselves christians, the same goes for every other religion or lack thereof. Does this mean that a good person who prays to Krishna is a Christian as well?

[Pebbles_Nibbles]

>>BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. An orange seed can
>only
>>produce an orange.
>
>Exactly what does this mean? Because I've seen good people
>calling themselves christians, and bad ones calling themselves
>christians, the same goes for every other religion or lack
>thereof. Does this mean that a good person who prays to
>Krishna is a Christian as well?


IT MEANS THAT HE/SHE MUST PRODUCE CHRISTLIKE FRUIT, NOT, AND NEVER KRISHNA. CHRISTIAN is a derivative of CHRIST, not Krishna!

[Death]

>IT MEANS THAT HE/SHE MUST PRODUCE CHRISTLIKE FRUIT, NOT, AND
>NEVER KRISHNA. CHRISTIAN is a derivative of CHRIST, not
>Krishna!

OK, that's what I want to clear up. What are these 'Christ' fruits as opposed to 'Krishna' Fruits?
Because I don't see the difference between good hindus and good christians, good is good