[TeamManager]

>5.Will observe the seventh as God;s Sabbath.
>It is unfathomable that a true Christian could keep nay other
>day then His days, as the bible clearly points out, it is the
>Seventh day.

surely Col 2:16 clearly speaks against you and your statement against judging people by the sabbath.

>The Sabbath and its observance is an outstanding sign of a
>true Christian, because it is a sign “between me and youEExo
>31:13, Eze 20:12
>I have previously in here said that the Sabbath is not only a
>memorial of creation but also of sanctification. It was
>designed to remind God’s people of His power to create and
>redeem.

Teejay,

Ex 31:12-14 and Eze 20:12 are clear commands from God to the nation of Israel. Just like the covenant sign of circumcision at 8days old (similarly given to Israel through Abraham), no where does it command or urge gentiles to particpate in it.

Please share with me even one verse that clearly sets a sabbath-keeping-condition for non jewish Christians.

ati ...... Observing the sabbath is an outstanding sign of a true Christian ...... again share the scripture. (this sounds more like an Ellen G. White statement)

A big purpose of the Sabbath was to give 'REST' and 'REFRESHMENT'.

[dadyamaru]

>>What do u mean wen u ask who's a christian?
>>Do u mean xtian as in religion..coz in the bible there's no
>>place where christianity is mentioned, leave alone
>>christians.
>
>It is only a term used in reference to Christ’s followers. If
>you are still perusing the bile looking for this word please
>do so with all your might or decease from now henceforth.
>
>Stick to Islam Dady. I think the question does not concern
>you. You know when a Muslim becomes a Christian s/he is
>excommunicated from the family and even the community at
>large. I guess this is the reason you hold such overflowing
>bile against that word Christian(s). Like it or not, it shall
>continue to exist, as long as there exist those people who
>hate Christ. This term was first used as a derogative way of
>describing those who followed Christ. This made the early
>church exceedingly glad because they knew that through
>following Christ all a manner of ill must plague them.
>
>
HAHAHAHA @ TEEJAY
Ofcourse am a muslim and i'll stick to Islam till the day i meet with my GOD.
Me becoming a xtian? hahaha that can only happen in ur dreams my friend.
I have nothing to fear for my religion.
God said in the Hoply Quran..ISlam is the just religion to GOd, and when He says that means we have unjust religions.
Islam has given me all i wanted.
U guys believe in TRINITY & thats blasphemous.
U guys blieve Jesus is GOd or son of God when he's a servant of GOD.
Both the Noble Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One:

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty.

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

[dadyamaru]

>>What do u mean wen u ask who's a christian?
>>Do u mean xtian as in religion..coz in the bible there's no
>>place where christianity is mentioned, leave alone
>>christians.
>
>dadi,
>
>First let me sympathise with you coz I understand that you
>have real fear ...... fear of what your family and community
>will do to you......if you ever became a Christian.
>
>Secondly, hopefully from this post you will understanding 'who
>a christian is' ...... many times I have noticed to you (and
>spairo) cant differentiate the diffence btw a mzungu and a
>christian.


HAHAHA@TEAMMANAGER,
Islam has given me the peace of mind which i need at times like this.
So wen u talking of fear...i wonder.
It shud b u guys who r fearing thats y u end up with questions like "who is a xtian? Guilty is part of ur fear.

to ur 2nd question
cant differentiate the diffence btw a mzungu and a
>christian

Why should i differentiate something which doesnt even exist.
Give me a verse in the bible where christianity or christians
are mentioned.

"Many will say to me (Jesus) on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 7:22-23)"

These verses clearly prove that believing in Jesus as the "Savior" who died on the cross for our sins may not necessarily really save us, hence this refutes the nonsense that the Christian missionaries keep repeating, because they themselves may not be saved and are going to Hell without even knowing it.

Let us look at further verses from the Bible that prove that most Christians are going to Hell:

Adultery is prohibited in the Bible, and that's perfectly fine with me:

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Proverbs 6:32 "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself." He destroys himself by being put to death as shown above.

But here comes the part that will cause most Christians of today to go to Hell:

Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."

Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

Since adultery is clearly prohibited in the Bible, and since most Western Christians today are divorced and are either living with their boyfriends/girlfriends or married to other people, wouldn't that cause for them to be thrown in Hell? After all, most Western Christians according to the Bible are committing adultery!

So to all of you divorced (except for marital unfaithfulness) Christians out there, YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!

Why do I think that adultery in the Bible would cause a person to go to Hell? Read the following:

Let us look at further verses from the Bible that prove that most Christians are going to Hell:

"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:29)"

As a Muslim, I can appreciate putting laws against sexual sinning and adultery. But the above verse is quite ironic! It clearly states that if any Christian (including our missionary friends) sins, even by looking at another human being lustfully, he/she better get rid of the body part that sinned instead of suffering the Eternal torture of Hell.

Come on now! To all of you Christian men and women out there, including your priests and ministers (who on many occasions end up raping and child molesting), how many times did you "masturbate"?! Oh well, I hate to break the bad news to you, but YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HELL ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!

A Christian got so freaked out from the above verse, that he decided to slice off his penis.
A "normal human being" that I am referring to is not someone who is sexually sinful as the Westerners are today with their illegal sex without marriage cultural practices (from boyfriends and girlfriends living together, to one-night stand sex, to pornography, etc...). No, a "normal human being" in my definition is one who tries to avoid sins as much as possible, but still falls into doing few of them every once in a while, and always regrets and seeks Allah Almighty's forgiveness and mercy for doing them

[teejay]

>surely Col 2:16 clearly speaks against you and your statement
>against judging people by the sabbath.

Paul is speaking about the Pharisees legalistic approach of the laws. It is their addition to these divine laws that corrupted the meaning therein. Thus making the law a burden to man. The Pharisees judged Christ by the Sabbath. When he did good works on that day the frowned upon him. This is what Paul is referring to.

He is not asking anyone to disregard Sabbath. Besides he follows in the foosteps of his master. Do you think Christ would say one thing about the commandments and his follower shall do exactly the opposite abandon them?

>>The Sabbath and its observance is an outstanding sign of a
>>true Christian, because it is a sign “between me and
>youEExo
>>31:13, Eze 20:12
>>I have previously in here said that the Sabbath is not only
>a
>>memorial of creation but also of sanctification. It was
>>designed to remind God’s people of His power to create and
>>redeem.
>
>Teejay,
>
>Ex 31:12-14 and Eze 20:12 are clear commands from God to the
>nation of Israel. Just like the covenant sign of circumcision
>at 8days old (similarly given to Israel through Abraham), no
>where does it command or urge gentiles to particpate in it.
>
>Please share with me even one verse that clearly sets a
>sabbath-keeping-condition for non jewish Christians.
>
>ati ...... Observing the sabbath is an outstanding sign of a
>true Christian ...... again share the scripture. (this sounds
>more like an Ellen G. White statement)

Just a couple of questions my brother.
1.Who is it that the new testament (new covenant) is addressed to?

2. Were the 10 commandments abandoned or not and who gave out that directive to abandon them?

3. I know that being a Sunday adherent; you have an issue with that number on Sabbath, but surely TM who between God and man instituted Sunday worship and for what purpose?

4. Do you know what the book of mark says about traditions of men and those who honour them in place of God's directives?( cant remember the exact verse).

5. (a) In the book of Rev is to be found the third angel's message, which is about to be proclaimed or is already being proclaimed judging by the numbers that are trooping back to God's Sabbath day, and it is the most solemn of all warnings to humankind in the bible. why do you think it is so and for what reason is the message sent out that way?

REF
Rev:14:9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev:14:11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

(b) And what is said of Christians of the last days of earth?

REF
Rev:14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

6. Have you any knowledge of the earthly sanctuary and its resemblance to heavenly sanctuary?

7. Did you know that when God first ordained Sabbath There were now Jews neither Gentiles?

REF
Gen:2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen:2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

8. Why does the Sabbath issue get into your marrow so much?

9. Don't you know that it is better to take the pain of reprove than to refute its truth?

10. Are you among those who are waiting to see a two-winged angel flying across the skies while chanting the third angelic message?

11. (a)Finally do you read the bible wholly or disregard one part as of use to the Jews only and keep another part cheating yourself that you are worshiping spirit?

(b) And if you do does its content sip in( no pun intended)?
If you do you would not ask me for a phrase to prove that we Christians are to honour Sabbath.

(c) Have you ever read a portion that says… “ TAKE YOUR NOISES AWAY FROM ME..”?
It is written for persons in 11a above, who think that upholding one part of the bible is more important while trampling the other part under their feet, jumping up & down pretending to praise God, but in vain.

REF
1 JOHN
1John:2:3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John:2:5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John:2:6: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

JOHN
Joh:15:10: If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

MATHEW
M't:5:17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
M't:5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
M't:5:19: Whosoever(Gentiles included) therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever(gentiles Included) shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

M't:5:21: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever(Including Gentiles) shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
M't:5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever(including Gentiles) is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever(including Gentile) shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

And for God's sake Elen White did not write the bible. She was just another ardent student of the bible who was candid in her study and steadfast in upholding God's message.

>A big purpose of the Sabbath was to give 'REST' and
>'REFRESHMENT'.

Read that One commanment again one more time and analys it well.

This is too long. Enough said.

[teejay]

>HAHAHAHA @ TEEJAY
>Ofcourse am a muslim and i'll stick to Islam till the day i
>meet with my GOD.
>Me becoming a xtian? hahaha that can only happen in ur dreams
>my friend.

We all have dreams, I keep praying mine will come true. That you may not perish without knowing the truth. And that the Spirit of God may minister the truth to you.

>I have nothing to fear for my religion.

I have everything to fear your relgion!

>God said in the Hoply Quran..ISlam is the just religion to
>GOd, and when He says that means we have unjust religions.
>Islam has given me all i wanted.

Let me seeee eeh.. polygammy, wailing loudly in the neighbohood(inconsidarate of those who are sleeping),vengeance,Christ did not die on the Cross,etc.

>U guys believe in TRINITY & thats blasphemous.
>U guys blieve Jesus is GOd or son of God when he's a servant
>of GOD.
>Both the Noble Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is
>an Absolute One and only One:
>
>"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute;
>He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like
>unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

Who did you say wrote the ignoble Koran?

>"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the
>NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"
>
>"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O
>Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV
>Bible, Mark 12:29)"

HOw many did you think there were?

>Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be
>under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not
>someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty.

But of course he is under God's Authority. Did it take you this long to see that? I hope you will also see the others you haven't noticed.

> The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do
>you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God
>alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

Another misquoted verse from another confused muslim.

>If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any
>sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?
>I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist
>trinitarian.

The is the height of folly. Again I beg you to please stick to Islam.You dont know how silly you sound in the eyes of those who are prompt in their studies of the bible.
You will wait for a very long time to see it. All I can say is that you reading read not, seeing see not and hearing hear not for your ears and eyes are waxed gross.

BTW I dont remeber seeing anything about Islam. The author of this Topic TM clearly talked about Christians. May be I should invite you home brother, where there is true peace.

[dadyamaru]

The is the height of folly. Again I beg you to please stick to
Islam.You dont know how silly you sound in the eyes of those
who are prompt in their studies of the bible.

ITS VERY FUNNY WHEN U CALL URSELF PROMPT BIBLE READER AND U DONT KNW IT. I WONDER WHICH BIBLE U R TALKING ABOUT. AM A MUSLIM BUT I KNW THE BIBLE INSIDE OUT.....NEXT TYM U POST ANY ARTICLE PUT THAT IN MIND.

You will wait for a very long time to see it. All I can say is
that you reading read not, seeing see not and hearing hear not
for your ears and eyes are waxed gross.

THE GUILTY ONES ARE ALWAYS AFRAID. U SHUD AVE INDICATED THAT I SHUDNT REPLY THIS ARTICLE

BTW I dont remeber seeing anything about Islam. The author of
this Topic TM clearly talked about Christians. May be I should
invite you home brother, where there is true peace.

"And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." (The Noble Quran, 2:111)"

What if Jesus did indeed die for people's sins on the cross? What will happen to you as a non-believer?

I believe I would still be saved according to the Bible. Jesus himself guaranteed Paradise to those who Love and adore GOD Almighty, without making any reference or giving any relevance to the belief of trinity or him dying on the cross for anyone's sins


Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Notice that the man's question was straight forward: "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" No other question can be more straight forward than this!

Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."

Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity concept, nor did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator between him and GOD Almighty to win eternal life. No Jesus was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

[teejay]

>The is the height of folly. Again I beg you to please stick
>to
>Islam.You dont know how silly you sound in the eyes of those
>who are prompt in their studies of the bible.
>
>ITS VERY FUNNY WHEN U CALL URSELF PROMPT BIBLE READER AND U
>DONT KNW IT. I WONDER WHICH BIBLE U R TALKING ABOUT. AM A
>MUSLIM BUT I KNW THE BIBLE INSIDE OUT.....NEXT TYM U POST ANY
>ARTICLE PUT THAT IN MIND.


>THE GUILTY ONES ARE ALWAYS AFRAID. U SHUD AVE INDICATED THAT I
>SHUDNT REPLY THIS ARTICLE

Rubbish.

And by the way anyone dealing with a Muslim has to be take extreme caution. The religion itself has over the years brainwashed and armed it followers with fanatic pedagogy. Tell me why I should not be afraid of such. With all those sharias I could not possibly tell which Act, Cap what, directs that my head be guillotined or which one say that I (Christian),being a khafir(whatever the spelling, by )should be smitten into fragments from the boom of a bomb or which one urges that my body be sponged, soft with rocks!

> "And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew
>or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce
>your proof if ye are truthful." (The Noble Quran, 2:111)"
> What if Jesus did indeed die for people's sins on the cross?
>What will happen to you as a non-believer?
>I believe I would still be saved according to the Bible.
>Jesus himself guaranteed Paradise to those who Love and adore
>GOD Almighty, without making any reference or giving any
>relevance to the belief of trinity or him dying on the cross
>for anyone's sins

I would have also loved for you to peruse the book of John and see where it say that "I am the truth..... no one comes to the father but through me(christ)." And i was just wondering that since you don't believe that christ is the one who died on the cross and you dont belive that he was God's son(tantamoun to subtmitting that he is not from God- disbelief) dont you think you are not at par with God's requirement.

>Luke 10
>25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test
>Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal
>life?"
>26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you
>read it?"
>27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your
>heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and
>with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
>
>28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this
>and you will live."
>
>Notice that the man's question was straight forward: "What
>must I do to inherit eternal life?" No other question can be
>more straight forward than this!
>
>Notice how Jesus answered this straight forward question:
>"Love the Lord your God with all your heart......and love your
>neighbor as yourself......Do this and you will live."
>
>Notice that Jesus didn't talk about any trinity concept, nor
>did he say to the man that he must accept Jesus as a mediator
>between him and GOD Almighty to win eternal life. No Jesus
>was pretty clear and straight forward here: LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY
>AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOURSELF. That is simply all there
>is to it to win eternal life in Jesus' standards.

Struming the strings of guiter to the audeince of goat can be exceedingly painful.

Mara you dont trust the contents of the bible, mara you quote from it, Mara it is corrupted. Are you not just making an of yourself.

Coping and pasting without much thought is unreasonable. It defeats the very purpose for which the Edit utility is provided for in the computer.

[TeamManager]

@teejay

1. The sabbath issue has never got into my marrow ..... please check any previous posting and you will see that its our SDA brethren who raise the issue in mashada. I am 100% sure that my salvation only depends on what christ did cross .... anything else is a result and not an addition of his free gift.

2. Ex 23:12 "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest and the slave born in your household, and the alien as well, may be refreshed.
- apart from repeating the command.....it clearly explains the reason behinf the reason.

3. The only instructions on worship given by Jesus that I could find were:-

Mat 4:10/ Luk 4:8 - 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.

John 4:23 - an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father n spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

Its strange that Jesus 'forgot' to tell us that 'worshipping on the sabbath' would be his creteria for 'judgement'. Since according to you.....sabbath worship is the primary criteria......I just want to know clearly where 'gentiles' were given this instruction .... either from paul or any of the apostles.

4. Surely Christians gathering on the first day is clearly found in the Bible. Its historically wrong to say that Christians never met on the first day in the first century.

5. 'Mark of the Beast' ..... you have to accept that your exaplaination is simple an interpretation.

6. Col 2:14-16 clearly speaks about 'Having wiped out the handwritting of requirements .......having nailed it to the cross.

7. MOses in Gen explains to the Jews WHY the celebrate the Sabbath and not when it was instituted ...... but it only became a law at Moses's time. Since creation People were judge righteous only according to their faith .......... the Law never made any one righteous.

8. I hope that one day you will realise the truth ....and stop adding 'extras' to God's grace.

[teejay]

TM do not pick a few verses here and there and paste them here as proof of what you are saying The bible is one huge book and you must remember what Paul is saying about its contents. When you rubbish other phrases and emphasize on others you are not doing any Good to yourself my brother and even you know that.

Even as I must accept with humility reproof, you must also concur that the Sabbath issue is one commandment that evangelicals ignore totally given that it touches and shuts their day of worship out completely. All they do is chant out some spirit talk. Now don’t get me wrong, I am not in any way saying that we must disregard the Holy Spirit but we must also test the spirit. The spirit that disregards God’s command is a false one and should be rebuked. Shindwe!

TEN COMMANDMENTS
This is what Christ says about them
JOHN
Joh:15:10: “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

So these laws are actually a foundation on which love is built! Amen! TM. I guess you did not see this one. I can show you more verses if you want. Who are you to say another thing.

TM since you are explicitly saying that you cannot not see anywhere else that Jesus is emphasizing on adherence of the 10 commandments are you saying that he actually abandoned them? That also tells me that you are not keen on what you read. I don’t know whether you read my posts or ignore them. I’ve heard you say in the past that you don’t read past the first paragraphs of some posts. Well, I do urge you to read each and every one of those posts not only from me but also from others regardless of their opinion of your faith. I tell you stand to benefit a lot. Every one of them is vital for the growth of your faith.

I for one can say that having dadyamuru and Atlain Coach and chotadipo and even reggie has challenged my biblical know how and I must say they have in turn switched my enthusiasm into much action. I therefore dig the bible more than before. And everyday I do that the Lord reveals new insights to me. I thank God for them coz they Aid me in spreading the word.

You will not want to accept it but one thing you must know is that God’s laws are very holy and are still of much effective. Disregard them at your own peril. The book of Revelation would be a better place for you to start with and see why it dwells on the subject of the beast changing God’s laws and trampling upon God’s Chosen people. Also check the book of Daniel.

I do not want to engage you in Sabbath talk for; it will make me look legalistic but know that IT will forever remain and that is the truth.

[TeamManager]

@Teejay

You said 'The Sabbath and its observance is an outstanding sign of a true Christian'
and I am simply asking you to show me one place in the Bible where Jesus or any of the Apostles said the same on this important issue .... concerning it being a standard/sign for measuring true christianity.

Otherwise all the best.
My prayer is that God will reveal to you the truth about you 'doing or not doing things' as an additional criteria to His grace.