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05-30-2006, 06:42 PM
Arab immigration from Southwest Asia into East Africa goes back to pre-Islamic times. Today, pre-modern Arab genetic infusion can be found in Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea, Sudan, as well as Swahili settlements on the coasts of Kenya, Tanzania and Mozambique. Some East Africans of Arab-black descent still maintain family ties in Asia. These are descended from relatively recent immigrants and have contact with relatives in Arab countries. Many Swahili have fairly recent Omani ancestors and have used this link to migrate to well-paid posts in Oman.1
Other Afro-Arab mixed East Africans cannot name individual Arab ancestors because the racial mixing was introduced hundreds, and even thousands of years ago. A 1st century B.C. Greek source Periplus of the Erythraen Sea reports large ships going to the East African coast manned by "Arab captains and agents who are familiar with the natives and intermarry with them, and who know the whole coast and understand the language."2
The Arab facial features which occur in Ethiopia and Eritrea's black populations also testify to Arab-black intermarriage prior to the advent of Islam. At the beginning of the 5th century B.C., Sabaen (south Arabian) armies settled in the Ethiopian highlands.3 The resulting intermingling of Sabaen and Ethiopian cultures produced the Axum kingdom, which became a powerful empire. 4 The term Abyssinia itself is taken from the Habashan, a powerful southwestern Arabian family which settled in Ethiopia.5
Wars in Arabia in the 7th and 8th centuries sent a large influx of Arab refugees from Arabia and the Persian Gulf to African coastal cities of Somalia, Kenya, and Tanzania.6 Out of this intermingling of Arabs and black Africans was born the Swahili - a Bantu-based Arabized culture. By the 10th century, Arabs were living as far south as Sofala.7 Immigrants from Yemen and Hadramaut came to East Africa in the 13th and 14th century.8 ibn Battuta, who visited the Swahili coast in 1331 CE, wrote of Mogadishu, then a Swahili town, that Swahili businessmen each had personal ties with Asian merchants, whom they entertained and accommodated in their own houses.9
Until the 19th century, Arabs tended to integrate into the local culture and had relatively little impact on local African traditions.10 But some new imports from Arab culture became central to East African life. Apparently, East Africans were using Arabic script at least by the 9th century. According to Chinese official records of the Zenjistan ambassadors in 9th century China, (Persian Zenj from Arabic Zanj for the people of the East African coast) the Zenjistan language was "like Arabic".11 Quite likely, when asked by the Chinese to write some words, the East African ambassadors wrote in Arabic script.12
The Swahili language is Bantu with a high proportion of Arab loan words.13 The word "Swahili" itself is derived from the Arabic word for "coast". The Swahilis wrote their language in Arabic script for centuries before switching to the Roman script recently.14
In the 18th and 19th centuries, Sultans of Omani descent built Zanzibar City.15 (now part of Tanzania) Between 1880 and 1950, Immigrants from Arabia, from Aden and Hadramaut in particular, flocked to East Africa.16 These newcomers brought with them changes in fashion, architectural styles and vocabulary.17 Hadrahmi merchants began to dominate the Swahili trade with southern Arabia.18 Other Arabs of lower economic classes worked in Zanzibar City and Mombasa as hawkers, coffee sellers and unskilled laborers.19 Many died in the Zanzibar revolution of 1964, and the remaining have returned to Oman.20
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05-30-2006, 06:46 PM
7.1. The Paradox of Colour: the Black Arab who is Anti-Black:
Thenceforward the Arabized Africans of middle Sudan will pose as non-black Arabs. Intermarriage with light-skinned people will always be consciously sought as a process of cleansing blood from blackness. A long process of identity change began; in order to have access to power and to be at least accepted as free humans, African people tended to drop both their identities and languages and replace them with Arabic language and Arab identity. The first step to play the game is to overtly deplore the blacks and dub them as slaves while you yourself are a black. A new ideological consciousness of race and colour came into being. The shades of the colour of blackness were perceived as authentic racial differentiations. A Sudanese-bound criterion for racial colour was formed by which the light black was seen as an Arab (wad ‛Arab and wad balad), i.e. white or at least non-black. The jet-black Sudanese was seen as an African, i.e. slave (‛ab- or ‛abd). Then an endless list of derogatory terms was generated in Sudanese culture and colloquial Arabic of central Sudan which dehumanize the black Africans, such as farikh, gargûr etc. In this context the properly white and light colour is also discredited; it is given the derogatory name of h alab i.e. gypsy. A Sudanese Arab proverb says that the slaves, i.e. black people, are second class, but the h alab are third class.
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It was not only the 'boer' (inbred dutch and belgian psychopaths) and the english who found 'paradise' in Africa, 'paradise' with one flaw (from thier point of view) : the African. "We are back in eden my good volk, but the serpent is still here....what shall we do?"
The existence of this situation, where we have people who 'love' Africa, covet Africa and it's products while HATING and DESPISING with all thier might the one specie of humanity who are truly indigeneous to Africa is something that needs to be addressed. The existence of this FACT must be placed at the head of EVERY agenda. From the so-called united nations to business dealings between individuals, the existence (and the power) of this situation must be at the forefront of all discourse. So, if I had to deal with a 'white', I would have at the foundation of my strategies the knowledge that this is a being who is incapable of dealing (for long) outside the influence of it's 'racial' identity. Regardless of how it presents itself, it is first and foremost, a being that will never consent to amalgamation into anything that originates 'outside' of it's own constructs unless it is assured of an assumption of control somewhere down the line.
It will seek to make everything conform to it's own limited vocabulary.
I have said this before : we communicate (Africans and 'whites') because we Africans went out of our ways to establish a commonality. We have adapted our incepts and meanings so that they can fit into the pantheon of 'universal truths' that the 'white' mind can handle. In spite of this (or maybe because of it), we are despised. We are so despised that we become ashamed of ourselves. We now seek sanctuary from this shame in the camp of our enemies.
I have asked people (i.e Africans) this question : Are you aware that your extermination is being sought after by 'whites' and semi-'whites'? If the answer is "no.." or some other form of denial, I leave the person to carry on with his/her day-dreaming fantasies ("can't we all just get along?). If the answer is "yes, I am aware of this..", then I ask, how does this knowledge affect the way you live your daily life? Or are you waiting for the knife to be at your throat before you start worrying?
Black people were told long ago to stop singing and dancing, stop wasting your days and your energies in futile pursuits. Whatever you are engaged in, ask it this question : "how will you enhance the positive outcome of the life or death struggle that Africans are currently embroiled in?"
The paradox the 'black arab/american/european who is anti-black' often finds itself in is that it will itself experience anti-Black moves the minute it steps into the TRUE centre of 'whites' or semi-'whites'. So, what is the purpose of all this self-hatred? What is the reward?
Or is it true each mental disorder is related to a virus? That while the viruses that cause influenza, SARS and HIV have been researched and identified, those other viruses that cause mass epidemics which manifest as mental disorders have been neglected (on purpose or accidentally).
We should all know by now that the naygrow is a world-wide phenomenon (as shown in the article from which the extract came). How can it be cured? What would be the universal application that would cut across all current cultural differences?
The devising of such a universal application is a matter of first line urgency. There is no point seeking cures for ones in the waste only as this would still leave a reservoir for the enemy to draw from. And, there is no point seeking a cure for ones in Africa only (same reasons as above). We all have to move together or we will not get far before being dragged back by our worst enemies (the naygrow). We need a universal
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05-30-2006, 06:53 PM
MOORS AND ARABS
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There is no doubt that "blacks" or "moors" had been visible on the planet for as long as time existed, but somehow they only had historical importance when the Romans encountered them and gave them the name; Moors, which is taken from the Greek word Mauros for dark and the Latin term Marues. These lands inhabited by these dark men were called, Mauritania, and Morocco, both derivative of the term or word; Mauros, or dark.
Who then are the white Arabs? These Arabs are Turkish basically. Having been part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries, and when the British overthrew the Caliphate there these more white skinned people of the family of Saud, went and occupied the land of Arabia, which was already occupied by "Moors" if you want to use the term in the general sense of simply meaning, "black or dark." Or you can even use the term Bedouin and that would describe the indigenous people there. The land became known as Saud(i) Arabia after the family of Saud.
So it seems that even Arabia, North Africa, and Niger, and all places scooping from that area on was not naturally inhabited by the more pale skinned people we see in pictures, called Arab but by the darkers skinned men of the dessert like the one in picture above. The Tuaregs, and the Hausas are still trible nomadic people in Northern Africa and Niger who carry those physical and religious characteristics of what we call Arabs. In the beginning of the 7th Century Islam spread across this area. By the year 708 Arabs had spread the religion all over Northern Africa. The Moors accepted Arabic as their language along with the religion. The Visigoths of Spain in the 5th century persecuted Jews, and their own poor. When Islam entered Spain via the "Moors" the Jews welcomed the new civilization in which they could live free of persecution. In fact Tarik, a great African or Moorish chief heading the Arab army went into Spain on April 11, 711. He went into battle with 6700 Moors. The Moors destoyed the Visigoth spanish. In time the white Arabs and Moors had disagreements over land, the white Arabs giving themselves the better portion. The Moors settled what is now called Andulus (Morocco). In time it separated itself from association with the Caliphate and the only connection was the langauge of Arabic and the religion, Islam. Spain still bears the architecture and language of its original conquerors. It is not called Arabic spanish history, but Moorish Spanish History because the Moors, or the black men, conquered Spain, not the Arabs. Today in Darfur, in Sudan the "Arab blacks" are at war with "Indigenous" blacks such as the Dinka tribe. They separate themselves from other blacks by money and status alone. The blacks of Sudan are not the White Arabs that came from Turkish stock and populated Arabia, but are Africans who believe they are different some how than other African blacks. The killing and war, and slavery that is going on is shameful, one black against another all in the name of being identified as Arab. Strangely enough some of those persecuted by the "Arabs" are muslim people, so the "war" is strange and barbaric and should end. Sudanese refugees run to places like Eygypt were they are not welcomed, and Eygpts infrastructure cannot handle a large influx of refugees. It is clear historically that Africa has in the past been part of Arab lore, and has been formative in its history and its existentance to this present day. Arab does not mean white, or even Saudi, it means a culture connection to a group of people who identify themselves as Arabs. There are Arabs in Israel that are not Palestinian, but Christian. There are both Christian and Muslim Arabs in Lebanon. Iraq has both Christian and Muslim Arabs. And all these places bear the genetic connection to those Bedouin Africans who joined with white Arabs to spread Islam and to fight wars. Even Persia, Iran has "Black Persians". But Iranians are not "Arabs" and are offended if you call them Arab, they are a people unto themselves. But our brothers and sisters in Africa were not only merely slaves to Arabs, they were traders, warriors, and tradesmen who traveled, explored and came and went all over the Middle east. During slavery some slaves brought to these shores, were muslim. They did not accept Christianity at all. There are historical narratives and records of slaves bearing Arabic names, and identifying themselves distinctly in customs and in dress as separate from other Africans. It stands to reason that quite a few of the slaves brought here were African muslims considering how Islam swept the continent from the north to the west and east. No slaves were brought from South Africa.
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05-30-2006, 06:57 PM
When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."
In the beginning of the seventh century, the Arab prophet, Muhammad, began to preach the word of Islam. Consumed with religious fervor, the Arabs sought to spread Islam and conquer the world. By 708, the Arabs had overrun North Africa. Consequently, Moors in large numbers accepted Arabic as the national language and converted to their conqueror's religion, Islam. Interestingly, hundreds of years later, Africans who had been enslaved by Europeans would again convert to their conqueror's religion, Christianity.
After the fall of the Roman Empire (fifth century), Spain was held by a barbaric white tribe, the Visigoths. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, Spain's Jews, serfs, and slaves looked favorably upon the arrival of a new civilization in which they would be able to live free of persecution.
Tarik, a great African chief, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.
The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. Later in the century, the cave dwellers would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain.
The Moors of Africa were the real conquerors. When the Arabs arrived, the hardest part of the job had been done. Instead of treating the Moors fairly, the Arab chiefs assigned themselves the most fertile regions. The dissatisfied Moors were not long in coming to blows with the Arabs. (The History of Spain by Louis Bertrand and Sir Charles Petrie - published by Eyre & Spottiswood, London, 1945, page 36). Ultimately, the Moors acquired two-thirds of the peninsula, which they named Al-Andulus.
Al -Andulus was obliged to pay tribute to the Arab Caliph (King) of Damascus. As Al-Andulus acquired its own identity, its bond with the Caliph began to weaken. In 756, Al-Andulus proclaimed itself an independent state. Thus, its only links to the Arabs would be the Islamic faith and the Arabic language.
The Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba, Seville, and Granada prove conclusively that these cities were more prosperous and artistically more brilliant than any Christian cities in Europe at the time. The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization when the rest of Europe was plunged in barbaric ignorance.
If Moorish Spain had been an accomplishment of the Arabs it would have been called Arab or Arabic Spain. Instead it bears the name of its creators, the Moors, i.e., Moorish Spain. Moorish culture was black in origin, bright in Achievement, and powerful in its influence on the rest of Europe.
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05-31-2006, 04:27 AM
@AMERICANISED. .....this is damn boring man...look for a more interactive topic. am out
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05-31-2006, 01:41 PM
Americanized,
I don't know what you are getting by putting my name in this, but I'd like to point out to you that there is a difference between Arab and Muslim.
Regarding the historical "facts" on your post, they are quite bit dodgy for various reasons. Among others, they seem to Arabize all Ethiopian, Somali and Sudanese peoples.
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05-31-2006, 02:13 PM
>Regarding the historical "facts" on your post, they are quite
>bit dodgy for various reasons. Among others, they seem to
>Arabize all Ethiopian, Somali and Sudanese peoples.
yeah i find that a bit dodgy, i mean, isn't it possible that ethiopians, somalis and other miros with arabic features could have existed without intermarriage? kinda like how chongs get darker the further south you go in asia.
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05-31-2006, 06:16 PM
Not all Somalis have that curly hair (kama makamasi). If you see pictures of Somali villages, there are some of them who look just like other Africans.
Ethiopians have had a long history of intermarriage with the Arabs just across the Red Sea and with Jews. This has been going on for so long that they created an entirely new group of "mulatto" people. The same can be seen to a lesser degree on the Kenyan coast, where Arabs intermarried with local Bantus to create the Swahili "tribe". If the intermarriage between Arabs and Bantus on Kenya's coast had lasted as long as the intermarriage between Africans, Arabs and Jews in Ethiopia (thousands of years) we would have a larger mulatto population.
One only needs to look at Mauritius, Seychelles and Reunion to see the effects of several generations of racial intermingling.
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05-31-2006, 06:17 PM
>@AMERICANISED. .....this is damn boring man...look for a more
>interactive topic. am out
Thanks for your input. Have a nice day!
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05-31-2006, 09:27 PM
>yeah i find that a bit dodgy, i mean, isn't it possible that
>ethiopians, somalis and other miros with arabic features could
>have existed without intermarriage? kinda like how chongs get
>darker the further south you go in asia.
jarabuon,
Unfortunately Americanized is classifying people according to their hair (kama makamasi) and ignoring the massive history that the Abyssinians (and Eritreans) and Somalis (read The Land of Punt - a place where Egyptians visited from around 3500 BC and probably beyond) have that is rather well documented. His "facts" are very "afrocentric" in a exclusively 'negroid' oriented manner that is bordering on bigotry.
Ethiopia and the Sudan have a long heritage that dates back to the old Kingdom of Cush and far beyond that. But Americanized wants to tell us that Cush-ites are Arab mulattos (ignoring or missing the fact that Cush-ites are actually Hamitic while Arabs are like the Jews, Semitic).
Americanized,
>Not all Somalis have that curly hair (kama makamasi). If you
>see pictures of Somali villages, there are some of them who
>look just like other Africans.
Somalis have a variety of looks, from those with long straight hair and very fair skin to those who have dark complexion and kinky hair. You can learn the heritage of a people by focusing on various things and if you choose to study the Somali Etymology, you will find out that it has a common link to the Oromo and the Old Egyptian laguages. There are some words that have their origin in Arabic but they came to exist when Islam came to the continent of Africa. The spreading of knowledge also meant that Arabic language and knowledge spread around the world. Words like alcohol, algebra etc are from Arabic and even the numbers taht you use are called Arabic numerals.
"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH
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