[spairo]

In the recent past United Nations classify sex and related feelings as basic human rights. This is as far as contemporary believes with no religion inclinations goes. This basic tenet of life was taken care of over 1400 years ago by the revelation of Quran to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Fast track forward to the year 2006 where some people formed an organisation and have the audacity to deprive fellow human beings of there basic rights, in pretext of religion spirituality. This is far the biggest human right violations ever perceived, this deprivations, tend to attack the very own human existence. This and many other minor things led to the current division we are witnessing of Christianity.
“Marriage is good but celibacy is even better” this is a famous quote from the bible attributed to Paul who had his own hidden agenda on the formation of Christianity. Blindly this theory is being followed openly and secretly being violated with the likes of Fr Wamugunda and other none high profile pastor, it’s a fact! human being needs to enjoy sex and procreate.
Now jump over to those who protested against celibacy; it’s a different scenario! In fact more devilish and shrouded with a lot of hypocrisy. This is one side, which fascinate and dismay even the Pagans! And tend to turn a blind eye or deliberate forget Sodom and Gomorrah. This week the Archbishop of Canterbury had to dispatch his prefect to Kenya to propagate homosexuality and for the poor Kenya Christians to accept the gay bishop who is visiting them with money stinking of ####. This side of Christ are “liberal” and accept homosexuality openly where a man can marry another man in church to ululations from fellow church members, even the man of god at the alter is not spared by this new form of pleasure derived from another man behind. Hypocrisy is rife with preaching water in terms of monogamy and drinking wine in terms of concubines, hypocrisy of advocating heterosexual and practising homosexuality behind the curtains with innocent alter boys.
Sex and marriage is a well define subject in Islam, with no room of fornication or adultery, evidently seen with the low or zero HIV prevalence in Islamic nations and the reverse is true in the other world. All those dirty unholy deeds are punishable by death in Islam with no compromise. Far much better to be a fighter of your rights to the grave than to be a “holy gay”

[chotadipo]

Let's see, recent reports suggest the origins of HIV is Cameroon. Some guy 30-40yrs ago mistakenly got into contact with primate blood and the chain reaction started.

Now assume, just assume for once he did not come into contact with the monkey and HIV was not existing, how do you reconcile with your statement above that HIV is prevelant because of other people's religious inclinations?

Are you saying africans, (and in this case I say africans because statistically we have higher prevelance rates of HIV and AIDS), are hit hard because we have our own tradition beliefs that make AIDS get attracted to us? Is this because africans are not muslims? Is this because africans have accepted the white man's corruption of the bible to the point of allowing homosexuality? *looking out of the window to count how many africans are fornicating...shacks none!*

Spairo, you start a discussion well but somehow you lose it...

[spairo]

>Let's see, recent reports suggest the origins of HIV is
>Cameroon. Some guy 30-40yrs ago mistakenly got into contact
>with primate blood and the chain reaction started.
>
>Now assume, just assume for once he did not come into contact
>with the monkey and HIV was not existing, how do you reconcile
>with your statement above that HIV is prevelant because of
>other people's religious inclinations?
>
>Are you saying africans, (and in this case I say africans
>because statistically we have higher prevelance rates of HIV
>and AIDS), are hit hard because we have our own tradition
>beliefs that make AIDS get attracted to us? Is this because
>africans are not muslims? Is this because africans have
>accepted the white man's corruption of the bible to the point
>of allowing homosexuality? *looking out of the window to count
>how many africans are fornicating...shacks none!*
>
>Spairo, you start a discussion well but somehow you lose
>it...




@Chotadipo.

I like your tactics of punching hole, a little bit clever to attack the tail and leave the main points. The recent study by a Swedish scientist is an effort worth a part on her back. I see more of racism in this research on the origin of HIV than anything. We know HIV was discovered in 1982 in USA from a GAY! Period we don’t need lectures about the origin of HIV being in Africa since 1952! It a fallacy.
Back to the topic, I brought the aspect of HIV in comparison with religion because that is what is evidently now. Yes the Africa Muslims are less infected with HIV compared to our brothers who are Christians. The point is, you cocoon are human being on the issue of sex, and he will find some way out with multiple illegal partners hence infection, set him free and he will be less tempted hence less or zero prevalence in HIV. Get the reasoning?

[reggie_woic]

Spairo,
Quick question, do you think that being gay is a choice that people make?

[Eden_2005]

@ reggie, what is ur answer to that question??
I aint sure cuz i aint gay, but from what ive seen some its a choice b/c its become a trend now and some say it started from childhood(ive never witnessed this with anyone).
was HIV really first found in the US in a gay...how the hell did so many africans get it, i need to do some research.
Eden

[spairo]

>Spairo,
>Quick question, do you think that being gay is a choice that
>people make?

What I know, is part to what many Christians terms as sex freedom, and so I know and you know is an invdividual choice and of late supported by the religion, unless you want to tell me its part of yahweh creation?

[KEMINOKANA]

There was a program on the origin of Aids on PBS TV last night. A two hour program and it will be finished tonight. It is a must watch!

From the program, it is true that aids was first discovered among gay folks in San fransisco. One by one, gays in miami and other large cities began showing symptoms of aids. Then came larger numbers of gays suffering from this mysterious disease. By then, it hadnt been known. Doctors didnt even know it was a virus. This was discovered a year or so later on. Most people at the onset didnt pay attention to the disease because apparently, it was killing the 'right people'. Then heterosexual couples began trickling into hospitals! Americans didnt believe it was that a serious disease until a famous actor died from it.

Anyway, research was done, and the disease was traced all the way to Kinshasa. From here, Belgians had gotten the disease, took it to europe, then to the US. Also, at this time, after the departure of Belgians from Zaire, Zaire recruited Haitian professionals to fill the positions left vacant. The haitians brought it to haiti, then to the US. Even up to date, the haitian community is fighting the stigma.

Anyway, the question is why africans and why did it show up in 1982. Well, the answer is simple. As Chotadipo said, there was blood contact between this PARTICULAR SPECIES of chimpanzees. This apparently had been going on for years. Those people DID DIE! It only wasnt known because they were in the village where there was no mobility and social structures ensured people werent so promiscous( no brainer here). however, with the advent of modernization, men began migrating from villages to Kinshasa for jobs. Here, they got their sex from prostitutes. They passed it onto prostitutes who passed it to more men including the belgians and french. These men went back to the village and passed it onto their wives. The europeans took it to europe. From there on, it was a rollercoaster. So aids did exist before 1982. Only that immobility confined it to the village where nobody knew and the infection rate was so small and the people thought it was a regular disease.

That's the best I could do to renarrate the story. It is true however that gays, prostitutes and drug addicts immensely contributed to the spread of aids. They really did.

Watch the program tonite or go to www.pbs.org for more information.