[Americanized]

>@CHOTADIPO.
>True to your words all war are not good, currently am in a war
>front and I can see the misery people go through.
>Alzheimer and heart condition are closely associated with old
>age, that’s a fact, but repeated strokes and unexplained
>uncontrollable brain bleeding like what is happening with
>Sharon, it has a divine intervention! Believe or not!
>Just to make the record straight, Muhammad Ali is suffering
>from Parkinsonism, predispose by his previous work. Is not a
>debilitating disease like what Reagan was going through or
>Ariel.
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>@AMERICANISED.
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>Just to remind you about Israel, it was formed by a League of
>Nation charter in 1940s. Am sorry to ask, do you know who is
>Golder Meyer?
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Stop asking silly questions! Everybody knows she was Israel's Prime Minister. Read the Bible. Jews were living in that region over 4,000 years ago!

[dadyamaru]

@ Americanised plz read the book " The bitter harvest"
if u really want to knw the history of Israel-palestine.

[dadyamaru]

This is for u to read @ AMERICANISED


As true Muslims, we will never stand isolated in concern for own dilemma, ignoring the ebb and flow of events around the world.
That y we have formed a strong united group propelled by the burning need for justice. That we lift ourselves up, moving with determination so as to create an uprising so powerful to shake & destroy all the enemies of Islam from their comfortable bases.

We have already shown u the example of lighting, which makes no sound until it strikes, and when we strike, the revealing flash of our power & impact of sincerity displays a force of frightening intensity of our years of humiliation and mistreatment.

Yes! It is a bitter irony to see all these people calling themselves civilised, working tirelessly to destroy Islam.
They started with calling us Terrorists, farnatics ,testing our patience by making fun of our prophet (S.A.W) & targetting muslim on their so called war against terror.

The milestone of these injustices against Muslims have given us a reason to act.
The September 11th attack made the so- called superpower pull back & see.
Of course the attack shouldn’t be observed as a celebration but rather a commemoration of our bitter history & rededication to the obvious fact that an urgent business is at hand.
Remember, right defeated is stronger than evil triumphed.
No one anywhere, regardless of his social standing, his financial status, his prestige and his position is an outsider when it comes to justice and when decency & dignity are denied to the humblest people.

We have fashioned a body of tactics suitable for our problem.
We’re seen in the world as twice- burden people living in the lowest stratum of society.
Thats y We are taking immediate action to protect Islam. And no action can take place without a methodology suited to the circumstances of the period.

It must be understood that Jihad is not indicative loss of patience within us.
We’ve never been patient in pure sense throughout our history when it comes to our people mistreatment and injustices.
The posture our silent waiting has been eating me like a cancer.
I believe half a loaf is no bread at all.
If we still say “not enough” is because we cannot be grateful for the halting and inadequate attempts of the Muslim world to catch up with the basic rights they ought to have inherited automatically.
Thats y we are forcing America, Israel and their allies face the ugly facts of life of their power structures responding clumsily & arrogantly to the whole Muslim world.

Man emotions if are not released in nonviolent ways they’ll seek means through violence.
This is not a threat but a fact of history.
And now this approach is being termed extremist.
So the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists will be? For hate or for love?
For the preservation of justice or for the extension of injustice?
Despite the worst these enemies of Islam could inflict they cannot drive us apart. We may differ in our opinions but we may not differ in our aims.
Their blows only serve to unite us more stiffening our resistance & tap our deepest resources of courage. We’re small in number but bigger in commitment.

For too long, the depth of hatred between Israel & Palestinians has been underestimated. The surgery to extract is necessary detailed & complex.
As a beginning, it is important to x-ray our history & reveal the context of the disease.

If your imagination power were great enough to enable place yourself in the position of a Palestinian baby born & brought up to physical maturity in the refugee’s camp, which are more like concentration camps, you’ll picture your life in the following manner.
• You’ll spend your whole childhood playing indoors coz outside there’re Israelis tanks, helicopters, & rockets bombing & destroying infrastructures in the so called war against terror.
• You’ll be confronted with every conceivable obstacle.
You’ll be living in a city where brutality directed against your people is an unquestioned and challenging reality.

Perhaps it is easy for those of u who never felt the stinging darts of segregation to call our freedom fighters terrorists.
But when you’ve seen vicious mobs lynch our Muslims brothers & sisters at will & draw them at whim,
when you’ve seen hate-filled Israel soldiers curse, kicking & even killing our Mujahid at close range is when you’ll understand that we cannot wait.
Palestinians parents are getting a hard time trying all in vain explaining to their little kids why they cant go to school or them go to work.
The answers they get destroy their little minds & distort their personality by developing unconscious bitterness towards Israel.

Undeniably, the Palestinians have been the object of sympathy & wore scars of deep grievances.
But America, Israel & the poor world has come to count on them as people who can quietly endure, silently suffer & patiently wait.
That’s why they’re ready & willing to risk martyrdom in order to move & stir the social conscience of their community.

When you see America & Israel living in a tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next & plagued with inner fears & outer resentment is because guilt is part of their fear. With this method, the Palestinians have enabled to transmit hatred into constructive energy to seek not only to free themselves but also to free their oppressors from their sins.

Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of bad will.
We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words & actions of bad people but for the appalling silence of good people.
Human being with all their faults constitutes the mechanisms of social movement.
They must make mistakes & learn from them.
They must taste defeat as well as success & discover how to live with each one of them.
We know through painful experience that the oppressors never voluntarily give freedom;
it must be demanded by the oppressed.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
And justice too long delayed is justice denied.

Time & actions are the teachers.
Actually time itself is neutral. It can either be used constructively or destructively.
We must use time creatively in the knowledge that it is always ripe to do right.
It is time to lift our worldly policies from quick sand of religious differences to solid rock of human dignity.
Keep in mind that sometimes law is just on its face but unjust on its application.

[spairo]

@AMERICANISED.

Now that I sound silly, if the bible is the one which said Israel home is the current site, then that “holy” book has changed again! Amazing how “god” can change an already written book…. “Real miracle indeed!”
So those confused Israelis who were lost in the desert for 40 years and still lost, got their home finally? read your bible brother, the “promised land” promise has not been fulfilled and I don’t think the land is Palestine, in Palestine there is no “milk and honey” just blood and sweat, US should look for the said land else where, and settle the guys who are still lost 2000 plus years now!
The issue of Golder Meyer was just to show you, who were the brains behind Israel occupation not to belittle your brilliant big brains.

[petermaumau]

I can see how a thread can easily turn violent..
Well one can choose to look at events to justify their religion but to be fair then we can let the book which prophesies certain events be the one which takes the day...
The bible in Luke says that Israel will be trodden down until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled.. they were and are still being fulfilled ..since when did a language that was dead for close to two thousand years returned..
But to caution god is not entirely happy with His people the Jews since they ,like many others, Continue to resist God's call to righteousness by the Messiah,Jesus christ ,Whom they refuse..The future is not totally bright for Israel and is worse for those who choose to fight them.. as god has shown over and Over again. They like rebellious children are still God's People since His Promise to Abraham still Stands..
As for Sharon,one may choose to see His Condition as a natural stroke due to a stressful life, God's Punishment for ceding His Land,the Gaza strip, or as the Thread says for his injustice against the muslim People..I know what I believe

[spairo]

There is no land which is not belonging to God, where your now is it belonging to Satan?
As for what you believe, please keep it that way we all know which is the right place. Israel God is not only annoyed by them, but they are cursed….Where was the said god, when Hitler was making them to be minced meat?

[mahatma]

Spairo aka Dadyamaru and the rest of your faiths,

Kindly answer me why Kenyans have to die in fights between yourselves(moslems) and Americans/Israelis.

Please refer to the 98 Nairobi bomblast and Kikambala.

I may not be an extremist like Americanized, but until you can tell me why those Kenyans who were minding their own business got killed or maimed for life, I think I will go with Americanized that Islam or whatever you worship is total bull.

[Coach]

spairo,
My brother, this is not at all the right way to conduct affairs. Talk to the people, don't take a superior stand to them by declaring that you are more protected (or loved) than they are. The most beloved by God are those who are humble in their words and actions. Might (or victory in a battle) doesn't mean right, remember Uhud?

















"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[spairo]

>Spairo aka Dadyamaru and the rest of your faiths,
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>Kindly answer me why Kenyans have to die in fights between
>yourselves(moslems) and Americans/Israelis.
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>Please refer to the 98 Nairobi bomblast and Kikambala.
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>I may not be an extremist like Americanized, but until you can
>tell me why those Kenyans who were minding their own business
>got killed or maimed for life, I think I will go with
>Americanized that Islam or whatever you worship is total
>bull.



The Kenyans who died are no different human being than those innocent Iraqis children, women, old people who are killed daily by the actions of America. They equally ask… “What have we done to disserve this”….all of them are victims of circumstance.
Mahatma you’re already like Americanised, your not different and you don’t need to ask for permission to write rubbish, “its either you’re with them or us” no moderation or two ways about it.

[spairo]

>spairo,
>My brother, this is not at all the right way to conduct
>affairs. Talk to the people, don't take a superior stand to
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True brother “kibri” is not allowed, but there is no statement which borders Kibri in the topic, The thread in its originality was just to portray the people who did injustice to us how they suffered in their last days as human being.
Though I do agree with the perception that the thread papered to be praising some people over others, but that’s exactly is suppose to be…. the best umma we are commanded to do good and avoid munkar. The issue here brother, “them” don’t seems to be moderate, we were not told to turn the other cheek. Still I will moderate for the sake of peace.