[spairo]

The Dan Vinci code, The Gospel of Barnabas, The Gospel of Judas. This are just but latest example of controversy ridden Christian religion. The theme of controversy has been the foundation which Christian religion was laid on. Since 1st year after the purported death of Jesus, Christianity has been full of riddles yet to be answered by many people including all of its followers.
Did Jesus found this religion? The answer is a firm biblical No! Biblical because even the bible itself bears witness that this religion started 100 years after the person of Jesus left this earth. Most of what are called canonical books was written more than 100 years AD
The main author of bible Paul did not even meet Jesus in his life time, the guy was a practising animist and main persecutor of Yesu follower, the myth behind his meeting Jesus in the desert was his own making. He was a paranoid who is said to be seen things mostly demonic or illusion due to over usage of cannabis and the proof of his sickness is documented but his illusory image was not documented by the then serious Roman scribe or the more trusted Hebrew authors or the scientific oriented Greek writers.
Then who founded Christianity? Christianity was a baby of the Romans, who saw the new religion brought by Yesu as main competitor in its survival as a sole superpower. The author Paul was one of the cleverest Romans scribe(though mental sick), and he is the founder of Christianity with paganism connotations like trinity, loud singing and partying as are way of praying. This inclusions were more a appealing to those followers who had a weak faith, and for those who resisted this new inclusions were massacred, the very few got some windows and escape to India and Abyssinia the current Ethiopia.
Since its infancy stage the religion had no definitive leader and truth, the religion was based on lies and counter lies. It was based on secrecy and dishonesty it was more being run in MAFIA style and the truth was only known to the few top hierarchy. To this date most of its followers are confused lot not knowing the real truth.
The bible has no even single word from God as it was written by animist and pagans of that time they stole heavily on the Hebrew Torah just to confuse the mass more.
When the Romans got what they wanted, they started to build churches in harness and use the cross as a new symbol of their new nation. Whilst it is known during Yesu time his followers use fish a symbol of their religion.
A religion purported came from God should not be ridden with a lot controversy, lies, secrecy and not aligning much from previous revelation, God is the same God of Abraham, Moses, Noah and with this previous prophet all over sudden he cannot start new laws and religion. With what we know Yesu was not a Roman nor a Greek or an English, yet this three nation form the cradle of Christianity with the leftist protestant who glorify earthly things and which has the biggest number of sinners on earth, while the far right Roman catholic is shrouded in secrecy and with a lot of basic human rights abuse. The Greeks due to their prowess in long distance trade and good scribes help the Romans to propagate their new found religion and so save their nation from being over run.
This is the religion which saw its holy book changed more than 1000 times just to appease the ruler of the day, where were American during Jesus time? Ironically they are the main propagator of this modern religion currently and amending the holy book according to the ruler of the day.
So who founded this religion? The answer is with the Hebrews who none of them follow it, yet the person of Jesus is one of them, we blacks and white are lost sheep’s who need to look for the light else where.

[chotadipo]

Good point, and to take you on the last part of your post, I think we should revert back to our traditional beliefs. As far as I can remember, the story of The Agikuyu deity has never changed. Mumbi is still mumbi with her nine daughters. All are black. I guess if The AGikuyu were some white guys, the daughters would have morphed into yellow to explain asians, white to explain whiteys, mongols, etc...

[spairo]

Equal good point, but I know where the truth is? I know you know.

[reggie_woic]

Jesus Vs Paul: Who founded christianity?
This link does enough to satisfy but not answer:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/theo/jes-paul.htm

If you're too lazy to read it all, just skip down to the conclusion.

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[Akhenaten]

There was a Historian called Josephus who gives us the best extra-bibilical account of the ressurection. He wrote that the band of men and women who rolled with Christ were called the "Christian" tribe. The term Christian and indeed the religion was started by Jesus Christ and had started taking root in His lifetime. Pliney the younger also wrote about Christians at a very early stage.

Christianity has been changed, and notably by Emperor Constatine who's political move birthed the modern day Catholic church. What's interesting though is the Meru story of how we came about. It's a lot like Exodus and even though the Methodists came to Meru around 1912, the Meru religion dwindled in the early 1960s. Thus their story, which is a lot like the story of Moses, was not given to them by the hoonkies.

The hymn of Akhenaten is some what similar to Psalms 109. Actually there are word for word similarities in chapter 89 verse 36 and there are over 100 comparisons of the Sun to God in the bible. I'm on the brink of throwing in the towel here. The more I read, the more I get confused. Do we even know what exactly we are doing when we deligently trot to church every Sunday?

[petermaumau]

Well There is all this Lots of things you can say about God thinking that he cannot defnd for himself..Infact Jesus does not need Me pr anyone to defend christianity to people who have had a glimpse of the light and since they are not comfortable with it want to discredit it..
If you are still debating the existence of Christ , then yo probably do not know Him and it is not a rosy picture..Think about it, something Must have happened for us to start counting years from Around the birth of Jesus.. If The romans did it,I am sure they would have started it at the birth of one of their great emperors.. Even Constantine.. Or Nero..They did not..

For GOd so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that Whosoever Believes In Him shall not Perish ..Whosoever believes is not condemned but Whosoever believes not is condemned already for He has not believed on the Name of the only Begotten Son Of God..

Choos which side B4 It is too late..

[spairo]

>
>Well There is all this Lots of things you can say about God
>thinking that he cannot defnd for himself..Infact Jesus does
>not need Me pr anyone to defend christianity to people who
>have had a glimpse of the light and since they are not
>comfortable with it want to discredit it..
> If you are still debating the existence of Christ , then yo
>probably do not know Him and it is not a rosy picture..Think
>about it, something Must have happened for us to start
>counting years from Around the birth of Jesus.. If The romans
>did it,I am sure they would have started it at the birth of
>one of their great emperors.. Even Constantine.. Or Nero..They
>did not..
>
> For GOd so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son
>that Whosoever Believes In Him shall not Perish ..Whosoever
>believes is not condemned but Whosoever believes not is
>condemned already for He has not believed on the Name of the
>only Begotten Son Of God..
>
>Choos which side B4 It is too late..

Why are you ignoring the main points of the topic, who doesn’t know about “so God love the world… blah blah blah thing? We know this unfounded theory. Who started this blah blah rubbish? Who said people should sing in such a loud noise with guitars for God to know? Who wrote the bible? Why was the bible not written during Jesus life? Why was it written hundred years after his purported death?
Just discuss don’t blubbering around. Blah blah…with no point.

[spairo]

>There was a Historian called Josephus who gives us the best
>extra-bibilical account of the ressurection. He wrote that
>the band of men and women who rolled with Christ were called
>the "Christian" tribe. The term Christian and indeed the
>religion was started by Jesus Christ and had started taking
>root in His lifetime. Pliney the younger also wrote about
>Christians at a very early stage.
>
>Christianity has been changed, and notably by Emperor
>Constatine who's political move birthed the modern day
>Catholic church. What's interesting though is the Meru story
>of how we came about. It's a lot like Exodus and even though
>the Methodists came to Meru around 1912, the Meru religion
>dwindled in the early 1960s. Thus their story, which is a lot
>like the story of Moses, was not given to them by the
>hoonkies.
>
>The hymn of Akhenaten is some what similar to Psalms 109.
>Actually there are word for word similarities in chapter 89
>verse 36 and there are over 100 comparisons of the Sun to God
>in the bible. I'm on the brink of throwing in the towel here.
>The more I read, the more I get confused. Do we even know
>what exactly we are doing when we deligently trot to church
>every Sunday?

You better read wide my brother, the issue of spirituality should not be taken lightly. Read widely on the issue of monotheism. The points I made above should make you to do a lot of soul searching for you to reach an informed decision, religion is not “Serikali” where the public is deprived some information on the pretext of National security; religious issue should be plain and open to scrutiny by its followers. The medieval and archaic theory of not asking holy question or being doubting Thomas lest you would be mad is over…..who invented this religion? why are there so many answered question on its ideals?

[Kinene wa Karani]

@Spairo,
With all due respect, accord the Christians and their faith some respect. Words and phrases like..."so God love the world… blah blah blah thing? We know this unfounded theory. Who started this blah blah rubbish? Who said people should sing in such a loud noise with guitars for God to know? Who wrote the bible? Why was the bible not written during Jesus life? Why was it written hundred years after his purported death?"

The same respect as you would like them to accord Islam though they may not believe in it. Be patient even with those who don't see things in the same way as you. Still you can point out if they wander from the topic.



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[Kinene wa Karani]

@Akhenaten,

The plot thickens. Ati Moses, an Egyptian Prince by adoption, born of the lower class feels for the slaves, rescues the working class, Lenin style, travels southwards to get protection by Ethiopian allies, crosses over through to Yemen, travels northwards towards Israel, defeats the hebrews, descendants of Essau and other sons of Abraham,,, and so on.

If you are interested in this theory, I post some more. I got this stuff from an Israeli Historian.

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