[koumba]

One of the most famous philosophers ,Renee Desacrtes once offered an ontological proof of the existence of God.
Renee was,arguably, the most famous philosopher in modern times.Undoubtedly,he alone has contributed more to philosophy than most of the others put together!!

What do you think of his "proof" of God??
It goes something like:

1.You think that God might or might not exist.
2.If God did not exist,you would not be asking question (1).
3.Therefore God exists.
Q.E.D

or,to put it in other words,you think of God.Therefore He must exist because you are thinking of Him!!It would be self contradictory to say he did not exist if you already even just asked the question.Otherwise what could you have been referring to when you asked about God??????????

what do you guys think?

[reggie_woic]

We know of a "God" because we were told about Him.
No one actually feels God unless you've heard something about Him.

In this case, we think because we've heard. Rene is wrong.
I'll take my nobel peace prize now, thank you.

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[Msoto]

"I think therefore I am" Renee Descartes

[Coach]

Descarted and above all Anselm made the ontological argument famous in western philosophy and Descartes was preceeded by the likes of Ibn Sina (Avicenna) some 500 years or more in making such arguments.

[Msoto]

>Descarted and above all Anselm made the ontological argument
>famous in western philosophy and Descartes was preceeded by
>the likes of Ibn Sina (Avicenna) some 500 years or more in
>making such arguments.

Avicenna's contributions are normally ignored but you are right...He even helped in establishing the medical practice among other things.

A truly gifted individual.

[safina]

No word can describe GOD

@Koumba
man will tell you anything,will take advantage of your ignorance sometimes.How about if one comes up with another statement like this..

'Either God wanted to let himself to be known to man or he didn't want to be.If he wanted man to know him and he didn't succeed this can only demostrate that he is impotent;an impotent God is inadmissible.If God didn't want to be known then all religions are false.If God didn't want either one,then we have to conclude that God does not exist.'

Or

"I am Fina,I am a tired God and can still kill people like all other Gods do,so don't mess with me"

[ATLian]

>1.You think that God might or might not exist.
>2.If God did not exist,you would not be asking question (1).
>3.Therefore God exists.
>Q.E.D
>
>or,to put it in other words,you think of God.Therefore He must
>exist because you are thinking of Him!!It would be self
>contradictory to say he did not exist if you already even just
>asked the question.Otherwise what could you have been
>referring to when you asked about God??????????
>
>what do you guys think?


Kuomba,

all ontological arguments - those are arguments that claim that the existence of god can be proven by intuition and logic alone - are fundamentally flawed.

That said, you can disprove this theory very easily by replacing God with something else:

1.You think that (---) might or might not exist.
2.If (---) did not exist,you would not be asking question (1).
3.Therefore (---) exists.
Q.E.D

If that (---) is elves, fairies, unicorns, the Loch Ness monster, Jack and the Beanstalk, etc, does that mean that the named things exist? Of course not. This is a fallacious logic that follows the tune of:

1: Rhinos have 4 legs
2: Leopards have 4 legs
3: Therefore all rhinos are leopards

All such ontological theories, together with the one Safina gave above, are inherently flawed. Just do a google search one day for a more professional explanation as to why they are flawed, they'll explain it a lot better than I can...

[Coach]

>all ontological arguments - those are arguments that claim
>that the existence of god can be proven by intuition and logic
>alone - are fundamentally flawed.


ATLian,
Not only ontological, but neither cosmological nor teleological arguments can PROVE the existence of God. It takes faith, not a philosophical argument to believe in the existence of God. The philosophers tried to rationalise their positions and therefore ventured into these kinds of arguments to justify their stance.











"A man's behavior is the index of the man, and his speech is the index of his understanding." Ali ibn Abu Talib (RAA)

[safina]

Who said you have to proof that God exists.Does 'proof' itself exist? or does even 'exist' exist?

[Msoto]

>
>Who said you have to proof that God exists.Does 'proof'
>itself exist? or does even 'exist' exist?

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