[Pebbles_Nibbles]

Who is the true Vicar of Christ?

I truly believe that the seat of divine authority on earth is the Holy Spirit. Cardinal Newman entered the Roman Church because he sought for ultimate authority, and he found a species of rest in the purported authority of the RCC. But he forgot that the one abiding center of authority in matters of faith and doctrine and administration is the Holy Spirit. That "Jesus is the Lord" is the ultimate center of all Christian doctrine. Everything else grows out of it, but "no man can say, that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Cor.12:3. This Lordship of Christ is the basis of all our latter-day doctrine.

"To this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that He might be Lord both of the dead and living." Rom 14:9

The distinctive feature of the Papacy, without which there would be no Papacy, is the claim that the pope is the vicar or successor of Christ. The distinctive feature of Protentatism--without which there would be no Protentatism--is that the Holy Spirit is the true vicar or successor of Christ on earth. To depend on organisation, or leaders, or wisdom of men, is to put the human in place of the divine, and in effect to adopt the RCC principle. In my humble opinion, it is unscriptural, and is designed to lead the unsuspecting flock astray.

[teejay]

>Who is the true Vicar of Christ?
>
>I truly believe that the seat of divine authority on earth is
>the Holy Spirit. Cardinal Newman entered the Roman Church
>because he sought for ultimate authority, and he found a
>species of rest in the purported authority of the RCC. But he
>forgot that the one abiding center of authority in matters of
>faith and doctrine and administration is the Holy Spirit.
>That "Jesus is the Lord" is the ultimate center of all
>Christian doctrine. Everything else grows out of it, but "no
>man can say, that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
>1 Cor.12:3. This Lordship of Christ is the basis of all our
>latter-day doctrine.
>
>"To this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that He
>might be Lord both of the dead and living." Rom 14:9
>
>The distinctive feature of the Papacy, without which there
>would be no Papacy, is the claim that the pope is the vicar or
>successor of Christ. The distinctive feature of
>Protentatism--without which there would be no Protentatism--is
>that the Holy Spirit is the true vicar or successor of Christ
>on earth. To depend on organisation, or leaders, or wisdom of
>men, is to put the human in place of the divine, and in effect
>to adopt the RCC principle. In my humble opinion, it is
>unscriptural, and is designed to lead the unsuspecting flock
>astray.

Amen to that Pebbles

[jarabuon]

> In my humble opinion, it is
>unscriptural, and is designed to lead the unsuspecting flock
>astray.

Actually it is right there in the bible when jesus left the church to Peter. Since he was only mortal, he had to have successors who assumed the same authority as that left to him by Jesus. The problem was that the popes started engaging in corrupt behaviour since they were only human causing the church to split into different denominations. but if you are going to go strictly by the Bible, there IS a vicar of Christ on earth, a successor of Peter.

[reggie_woic]

In the words of the Geico Gecko, "Happy Lovely!"

[teejay]

>
>> In my humble opinion, it is
>>unscriptural, and is designed to lead the unsuspecting flock
>>astray.
>
>Actually it is right there in the bible when jesus left the
>church to Peter. Since he was only mortal, he had to have
>successors who assumed the same authority as that left to him
>by Jesus. The problem was that the popes started engaging in
>corrupt behaviour since they were only human causing the
>church to split into different denominations. but if you are
>going to go strictly by the Bible, there IS a vicar of Christ
>on earth, a successor of Peter.

And Which bible is this you are going by my friend?

As far as am concerned I know that the purpose for which the Holy Spirit was promised was so that the church would always be under His guidance. Humans are full of Judgments and cannot be handed the sole task of representing Christ. Those who have always imposed upon us such authority have always ended up being ungodly. The bible says that Christ is the head of the Church and the church is referred to as bride. So then can Jesus leave His bride to be groomed by another person? No I think not. That is why the Holy Spirit must watch over the bride even as she awaits the Groom’s appointed day of return. The bride must be untainted, wholly immersed in the blood of the lamb and washed clean as snow.

Peter was only a shepherd and not representative of Christ on earth. No man (mortal) can represent Christ (immortal). They therefore are only shepherds and not Vicars. Besides if Peter was appointed Vicar as most people excuse the popes then it is only best the he become immune to death to see the church through the ages, but that is not the truth. Christ only entrusted the work to Peter to lead the young church that had just began. And the Church having gone through a lot of torment together with their master prior to his ascendance to heaven was so vulnerable. The bible clearly accounts for such vulnerability when it records account of Christ appearing to his disciples mysteriously and reinforcing his teachings to them since some of them had decided to revert back to their old ways.

If any person then says that the popes are vicars then the same man is openly proclaiming the same message that the popes have sought to push down our thoughts for ages, that they are the undisputable heads of the church and thus they being Vicars of Christ are not Holy but gods themselves and thus they can actually alter God’s law. Through this false doctrine they vested upon themselves despotism. Remember the number 666.It is synonymous to VICARIUS FILII DEI (in English VICAR OF CHRIST). These popes are the same that have given the catholic church a bad name. This church is referred to as PROSTITUTE in the bible because the popes through their despotism sought worldly authority to punish anyone who disregarded their rule. This church committed adultery by cohabiting with the governments of the world.

[reggie_woic]

OH MY GOODNESS TEEJAY!!
You have just delivered unto me an unexpected kick in the groin.
I must look into this 666-vicarius filii dei stuff

V – 5
I – 1
C – 100
A
R
I – 1
U – 5 (note that the Romans rendered U as V)
S

F
I – 1
L – 50
I – 1
I – 1

D – 500
E
I – 1

TOTAL – 666
(Source wikipedia)

Coincidence? I don't think so.
Brb..

[reggie_woic]

Ok I’m back. and i have a bone to pick with you, teejay.
I didn’t have to look far to see that the SDA people are the ones who believe that the “vicarius filii dei”, which adds up to 666, is the pope’s title—which implies that he’s the antichrist.

---its true that Vicarius filii dei does add up to 666, and personally I find this too intriguing to believe that it’s a coincidence.
But before you think that I’m renouncing my catholic faith, here’s a revelation that changes everything:

THE POPE’S TITLE IS NOT “VICARIUS FILII DEI; IT IS VICARIUS CHRISTI.

This I believe was a conspiracy mission by some SDA to smear the catholic name.

Now while I was looking into all this, I found a twist in the story:
The founderess of the SDA religion Ellen Gould White—HER NAME ADDS UP TO 666!!!

E
L-------------------------50
L-------------------------50
E
N

G
O
U--------------------------5
L-------------------------50
D------------------------500

W-------------------------10
H
I--------------------------1
T
E
Total:-------------------666

And Ellen Gould White, unlike the vicarius fillii dei title, is her name.

TEAM CATHOLICS RULE!!!

I definitely didn't stutter.

[Wantai]

reggie, you are out to fight for catholicism forever, by hook or crook? Is it really worth it?

EG White was a polite lady, she did not even claim to be a prophetess. But read her books roho safi, bila bias and you will learn a thing or two.

[dadyamaru]

Correction...Christ didnt die,
God confused the killers n instead took somebody else instead of Jesus.
We are in the Bible, jesus prayed & his prayers were answered,
so definately this means he was not killed.
If i& u kawaida p/ple can pray n our prayers be heard whoat about jesus?
The Qura'n tells us...they didnt kill him

[reggie_woic]

Wantai,
I was just hitting back at the SDA fellows who were wrongly trying to call the pope the antichrist.