[chotadipo]

>
>>These Arabs used to be a brainy lot, but now all they are
>>known for is terrorism and suicide bombers! What happened?
>
>Really action of a few now is used to judge all of them. I bet
>you see you friends and think bloody terrorists!...
>
>Key word...MEDIA should not be your only learning tool in
>relation to a subject your 'ignorant' about.

I think you should re-read Americanized posts. He asked a simply question. If all these are actions but of a few individuals, why are they not being condemned by the majority? Why is it that they show indifference to all these, but secretly applaude them in their kitchen tables?

Second thing, satjas is dead on. He was not practising humour at all. He was merely pointing out the folly of Spairo's mail. If you notice, Spairo chose to ignore Saudi Arabia and talks of how muslims cannot pray in France! What a joke!

And last, it is really silly to attribute scientific achievement to a religion. How can a scientific achivement be because of the muslimness of someone? Or for that matter, the whiteness of someone, if I could point out the white man's scientific achievements as a reference? It just happens that in those fields they excelled at, those men HAPPENED to be arabs and muslims, not because they WERE arabs and muslims.

[Coach]

>These Arabs used to be a brainy lot, but now all they are
>known for is terrorism and suicide bombers! What happened?


Americanized,
It seems you are deeply prejudiced and have no knowledge of any underlying conditions of what hapenned to the Islamic thought the last few centuries. Let's see how far you can go with this simplistic line of thought; here is a premise - AFRICANS (and blacks in general) ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN ALL OTHER RACES. Think about it! Africans (and other blacks) haven't contributed anything to the scientific world, all they are known for is corruption, starvation and civil war. What are the blacks in America known for? Drugs, violence etc. and they don't show any intellectual prowess at all. Blacks are the least intelligent human species, superior only to the inuits.

Africans used to be a brainy lot some millenia ago, all they are known for now is civil wars 9read murder), starvation, corruption, poverty and backwardness. What hapenned?

[Americanized]

>>These Arabs used to be a brainy lot, but now all they are
>>known for is terrorism and suicide bombers! What happened?
>
>
>Americanized,
>It seems you are deeply prejudiced and have no knowledge of
>any underlying conditions of what hapenned to the Islamic
>thought the last few centuries. Let's see how far you can go
>with this simplistic line of thought; here is a premise -
>AFRICANS (and blacks in general) ARE LESS INTELLIGENT THAN ALL
>OTHER RACES. Think about it! Africans (and other blacks)
>haven't contributed anything to the scientific world, all they
>are known for is corruption, starvation and civil war. What
>are the blacks in America known for? Drugs, violence etc. and
>they don't show any intellectual prowess at all. Blacks are
>the least intelligent human species, superior only to the
>inuits.
>
>Africans used to be a brainy lot some millenia ago, all they
>are known for now is civil wars 9read murder), starvation,
>corruption, poverty and backwardness. What hapenned?
>
>
>
It would be very hard to argue the case for African intelligence when we have nothing to show but poverty, disease and war. We may be as intelligent as any other race, but unless, and until we are able to get our head out of our azz and actually make things happen, the world will continue to see us as inferior beings.

If somebody calls you "shorty" coz he's standing up while you're sitting down, how do you prove you are actually tall? You simply stand up. In the same way, if we Africans want to be taken seriously, we have to stand up and do something! When we quit tribal bickering, corruption and self-pity, we will finally bring our innate potential to maturity and show the world what has been hidden from view by decades of mismanagement and corruption.

The same goes for Moslems. How do you expect to be taken seriously when a minority of Moslems kill thousands of innocent people in the name of Allah while the majority turn their head or pour out onto the streets in support of these cold-blooded killers. The media did not go into Moslem homes in Kenya and ask them to come out in support of Osama's deadly attack on Kenya. You did that yourselves! Show me a Moslem who was dragged out of his bed by journalists, given a placard with pro-Osama, and anti-US stuff written on it, and thrown out into the streets to protest, and I will change my mind about Moslems.

[Coach]

>It would be very hard to argue the case for African
>intelligence when we have nothing to show but poverty, disease
>and war. We may be as intelligent as any other race, but
>unless, and until we are able to get our head out of our azz
>and actually make things happen, the world will continue to
>see us as inferior beings.

Well if you see Muslims in the light you do then Africans are inferior humans.



>If somebody calls you "shorty" coz he's standing up while
>you're sitting down, how do you prove you are actually tall?
>You simply stand up. In the same way, if we Africans want to
>be taken seriously, we have to stand up and do something! When
>we quit tribal bickering, corruption and self-pity, we will
>finally bring our innate potential to maturity and show the
>world what has been hidden from view by decades of
>mismanagement and corruption.

Don't you think that the problem of Africans actually lies in the genes? Something seems iherently wrong by the look of things. When/where did the mutation occur?



>The same goes for Moslems. How do you expect to be taken
>seriously when a minority of Moslems kill thousands of
>innocent people in the name of Allah while the majority turn
>their head or pour out onto the streets in support of these
>cold-blooded killers.

So Africans/Blacks shouldn't be taken seriously since they are seen as being backward as a people? Where did you see a majority poruing into the streets calling for the death of innocent people? You shouldn't mistake the anguish of the disgruntled majority towards theirleaders and the west to mean they support terrorism.


The media did not go into Moslem homes
>in Kenya and ask them to come out in support of Osama's deadly
>attack on Kenya. You did that yourselves! Show me a Moslem who
>was dragged out of his bed by journalists, given a placard
>with pro-Osama, and anti-US stuff written on it, and thrown
>out into the streets to protest, and I will change my mind
>about Moslems.

I don't know how old you are but I remember clearly when the first Gulf War occured and almost all Kenyans were supporting Saddam. They wanted him to kick USA where it hurts. There were many mathrees that were called Saddam/Baghdad/Gulf War etc all glorifying the death and carnage that was taking place. Who forced these Kenyans and other Africans to support Saddam? Ever heard the phrase "The enemy of your enemy is your rfiend"? Well, those who support OBL and other extremists are doint it because he is taking on a mighty military machine and making fools out of them.

Plus, I don't know if you support one side based on your ideology or whether you do it because it is right to do so. Let me ask you then, did you/do you support the war in Iraq? Do you think Iran should be attacked for trying to achieve nuclear technology? You seem obsessed with terrorism perpetrated by Muslims while there has been far serious crimes in Africa which has nothing to do with Islam/Muslims. What do you think is far more serious? Over 4 million people have died in Congo the last few years, do you think that the attack on WTC was far more serious? There are many Africans who are singing the American tune of "War on Terror" without realising that they are obsessing with a cause and ignoring a far serious one hapenning right in our doorsteps. Do you think the American troops should be in Afghanistan/Iraq or congo where people are dying in large numbers? Where does your allegience really lie? Most Muslims are seen not to be sympathising with the victims of terrorism in teh west not because they don't care but because they are often victims of state terrorism perpetrated by western countries and Israel.


"A man's behavior is the index of the man, and his speech is the index of his understanding." Ali ibn Abu Talib (RAA)

[spairo]

@SATJAS
You seem not to believe on anything…..what do you believe in, I mean religiously, some cow? Or what?

@CHOTADIPO
Are Muslims free in France? The issue here is positive things Islam has contributed, why do I feel you guys are defeated by such a simple question? You guys don’t know Islam or the holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) you only know the negative information you get from Christians channels.

[chotadipo]

>@SATJAS
>You seem not to believe on anything…..what do you believe in,
>I mean religiously, some cow? Or what?
>
>@CHOTADIPO
>Are Muslims free in France? The issue here is positive things
>Islam has contributed, why do I feel you guys are defeated by
>such a simple question? You guys don’t know Islam or the holy
>Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) you only know the negative information
>you get from Christians channels.
>

@Spairo, I'll end this discussion here. But just to let you know, I went through madrassas all my childhood having been born in a dominant muslim town. I started reading the Quran myself since I was 12, I still own my copy to date. Over time, I have also read holy books from other religions, christianity, hinduism, budhisim to name a few. I'm also an avid reader of other people's ideas and opinions on religion and its interaction with society. I watch religious channels from time to time to update myself on their dogmas and any shift in their thinking.
I am and will never be an authority on religion. My arguments are based on self convictions and I arrive towards them by careful thought, observation, and sometimes gut feelings. I have lived in Europe, Africa, the middle East and Asia for extended periods of time to understand their respective customs and ways of life. I must admit that each offers its unique flavour when it comes to religion and society. Trust me, I don't rely on CNN or Al-jazeera alone to know what goes on in any country.
If you want me to answer whether muslims are free in France or not, I'll answer in the affirmative. Remember, there are no absolutes. Living in Yemen confronted me with an extreme form of islam modeled on traditions that would make France paradise for muslims.

[Americanized]

<<<I don't know how old you are but I remember clearly when the first Gulf War occured and almost all Kenyans were supporting Saddam. They wanted him to kick USA where it hurts. There were many mathrees that were called Saddam/Baghdad/Gulf War etc all glorifying the death and carnage that was taking place. Who forced these Kenyans and other Africans to support Saddam? Ever heard the phrase "The enemy of your enemy is your rfiend"? Well, those who support OBL and other extremists are doint it because he is taking on a mighty military machine and making fools out of them.

Plus, I don't know if you support one side based on your ideology or whether you do it because it is right to do so. Let me ask you then, did you/do you support the war in Iraq? Do you think Iran should be attacked for trying to achieve nuclear technology? You seem obsessed with terrorism perpetrated by Muslims while there has been far serious crimes in Africa which has nothing to do with Islam/Muslims. What do you think is far more serious? Over 4 million people have died in Congo the last few years, do you think that the attack on WTC was far more serious? There are many Africans who are singing the American tune of "War on Terror" without realising that they are obsessing with a cause and ignoring a far serious one hapenning right in our doorsteps. Do you think the American troops should be in Afghanistan/Iraq or congo where people are dying in large numbers? Where does your allegience really lie? Most Muslims are seen not to be sympathising with the victims of terrorism in teh west not because they don't care but because they are often victims of state terrorism perpetrated by western countries and Israel.>>>



Don't try to blow smoke in our eyes, Coach. Question: If I told everyone that I despise you so much that I believe the only way I can live in peace is if you are dead;If I told everyone that I would do everything in my power to put you 6 feet under, what would you think if I announced that I was going to buy a gun? I might need the gun for hunting deer, target practise, or just self-defense, but when I threaten to murder you, how many people are going to believe me when I say I bought the gun for peaceful purposes? Iran dug themselves into this pit. They should quit blaming Bush for their own stupid blunders!

Another thing,if you can sit there and tell me that you supported Saddam for invading Kuwait -a sovereign state- in the first Gulf War, for no other reason than to grab Kuwait's vast oil reserves, then you are no different than Osama. I remember the fist Gulf War very well, and I remember that even then I supported the U.S. and the U.N. for kicking out saddam the terrorist from Kuwait!

Since you asked, I totally support the war in Iraq! Terrorists should never be allowed free reign to murder with impunity. I still can't fathom why you would even support Saddam when he killed thousands of his own Muslim countrymen! What kinda Moslem are you? When everyone looks the other way while terrorists murder thousands of innocents, we all become accomplices in the crime. It's just curious that the same people criticizing Bush for invading Iraq will be the same ones blaming Bush for being aloof when it's their turn to face the wrath of a dictator on their own soil.

I also fail to understand the logic when you say that America has ignored other more serious tragedies than Iraq. Maybe if people like you offered the support America needed to fight global terrorism we might actually have enough resources to fix most of those other problems. All you wanna do is sit in the sidelines and complain. When are you going to do something for yourself without always running to the US?

[Americanized]

The Third World's relationship with the U.S. is kinda like the relationship between Africans in the States and the police. We spend all day compalining of racist cops but when our azz get's in trouble, guess who we call first? The same damned police!

[ATLian]

Americanized,

just curious, what in your opinion are the problems of Christianity? You seem to be pretty good at calling out the problems Islam has, what about Christianity? Ama is it a perfect religion to you?

[Americanized]

>Americanized,
>
>just curious, what in your opinion are the problems of
>Christianity? You seem to be pretty good at calling out the
>problems Islam has, what about Christianity? Ama is it a
>perfect religion to you?

Read the topic of this thread. Is there any mention of Jesus or Christianity?