[KEMINOKANA]

Milanya and Manzi,

I cant judge homosexuals and this is a touchy issue for many. However, I'll shed the light on homosexuality. We find the answer in Romans 1: 18-32. I do not think there is a direct biblical assault on anal sex between heterosexual couples but I dont think anyone of us can argue about the unnaturalness of anal sex.

Manzi, surely God cant create evil( I hope you realize it is blasphemy to say otherwise)! There is no gray area when it comes to biblical teachings so let's not create one. For if God created homosexuals, why did He burn them to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? I gave u an example of my food problem and I believe that is the case with homosexuals. If one thinks so much about sex, he'll be horny. If one fantasizes ***ing a man, he'll move towards fulfilling his lust.

Romans 1: 18-32.


21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them

[ATLian]

>Manzi, surely God cant create evil( I hope you realize it is
>blasphemy to say otherwise)! There is no gray area when it
>comes to biblical teachings so let's not create one.

Kemi,

I beg to differ, and for my evidence I'll quote god himself in Isaiah 45:7: “I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.” In addition to that damning statement, god created the source of all evil, Lucifer, and in his infinite knowledge he knew what Satan would turn out to be. The fact that he still created him and let him do what he has done also means that god is directly culpable for all the evil that exists.



>For if
>God created homosexuals, why did He burn them to death in
>Sodom and Gomorrah?

Well, he created Satan as an angel, and he is going to burn Satan in hell forever, so what's the deal with burning a few homosexuals in Sodom?

[KEMINOKANA]

Atlian,

I'd think such evil e.g hardening pharaoh's heart are temporary measures to expose his powers. I doubt God creates pple to be homosexuals. They choose to be homosexuals.

I knew u'd go to the lucifer thing....but I still believe evil exists because of choice not genetic engineering. Satan too can avoid hell.

[ATLian]

>Atlian,
>
>I'd think such evil e.g hardening pharaoh's heart are
>temporary measures to expose his powers. I doubt God creates
>pple to be homosexuals. They choose to be homosexuals.

I know that there was no point in my life where I reached the intersection where Gay and Straight meet, then I chose to go down the Straight road. It is just how things ended up. There was never a Gay option in my life, I was just born straight. If I believed, I'd say it's how god created me. So why should I assume that a gay guy reached the same intersection and chose to be Gay? Again you have to beleive that he was created that way gy bod. It is in god's charcter to create things that make you wonder "WHY?" e.g. the polio virus, cancer, Lucifer, tsunami-causing earthquakes, malaria-carrying mosquitos, etc. So if you think homosexuals are evil, then given god's propensity to create create things that aren't good, why are you so suprised that he created them to be gay.



>but I still believe evil
>exists because of choice not genetic engineering

Not entirely true. Many psycopaths and sociopaths are genetically evil. From when they were kids, some wires in their brains were short circuited, and this led to them committing some serious evils...

But I do agree that most evil is a choice, where we differ is what defines evil. To me 2 men having consentual sex is not evil. As a straight man, I think it's a disgusting act that I would never do, but it's no more evil than me and my girlfriend having sex.

[nefertiti]

>>Atlian,
>>
>>I'd think such evil e.g hardening pharaoh's heart are
>>temporary measures to expose his powers. I doubt God creates
>>pple to be homosexuals. They choose to be homosexuals.
>
>I know that there was no point in my life where I reached the
>intersection where Gay and Straight meet, then I chose to go
>down the Straight road. It is just how things ended up. There
>was never a Gay option in my life, I was just born straight.
>If I believed, I'd say it's how god created me. So why should
>I assume that a gay guy reached the same intersection and
>chose to be Gay? Again you have to beleive that he was created
>that way gy bod. It is in god's charcter to create things that
>make you wonder "WHY?" e.g. the polio virus, cancer, Lucifer,
>tsunami-causing earthquakes, malaria-carrying mosquitos, etc.
>So if you think homosexuals are evil, then given god's
>propensity to create create things that aren't good, why are
>you so suprised that he created them to be gay.
>
>
>
>>but I still believe evil
>>exists because of choice not genetic engineering
>
>Not entirely true. Many psycopaths and sociopaths are
>genetically evil. From when they were kids, some wires in
>their brains were short circuited, and this led to them
>committing some serious evils...
>
>But I do agree that most evil is a choice, where we differ is
>what defines evil. To me 2 men having consentual sex is not
>evil. As a straight man, I think it's a disgusting act that I
>would never do, but it's no more evil than me and my
>girlfriend having sex.

On gays-- i always think about the dangers that thruought history gays have faced. People would (and in some parts still do) kill you for being gay--gay male that is. Who in their right mind would risk having sex with a man ati just for fun when there are women all over to choose from.Who? Who would risk people talking about them and shaming their family for fun? who? That to me says that this was not a lifestyle choice like it is with some people today--this is how they were wired.How then can we claim God hates em when he is the one who made them like that? Plus is their homosexuality is not the only thing that defines who they are just like a straight person is not solely defined by the fact that they have sex with the opposite sex. If a gay man is a good person, how can one claim he will go to hell simply on that one 'flaw'?
I don't know if anal sex is unnatural but i think it is for straight people and for all girls. Straight people because they are turned off by it and girls because unlike boys, girls do not have a pleasure point in there.This has not been proven at least not scientifically. I know some women may say anal sex is great but i think they are lying. Biased and ignorant view? Maybe but i really think they are lying.I don't know if the bible is against anal sex but it is against homosexuality and that involves anal sex most of the time. Why should it support anal sex btw a man and a woman (and in this case i'm thinking of the chick recieving)? And if it were to be reversed, why would it be worse? Why is it that a gay man is gay or unnatural yet a straight man because he is having anal sex with his wife is seen as harmless? Isn't ass, ass?

[KEMINOKANA]

Nefertiti,

I agree, anal sex is anal sex period. And no, even a 'small' sin e.g a single lie will not be permitted. Only the PURE will make it. Unfortunately, homosexuals that die as homosexuals bila repentence will not make it much as a liar who had everything else right will not make it.

And again, God didnt create homosexuals. That is like saying God created thieves, murderers and rapists. Why to people murder when they know they will be caught and sent to death row? Why do people steal when they know they will be caught and face mob justice? Why do people rape knowing well what the concequences of rape are? Once you answer that, you will see why gays choose to be gay even when faced with death. You will also see why people sin even when faced with the threat of hell. It is the PASSIONS of the flesh which the bible numerously warns about. Being rightful before God requires SACRIFICE. Homosexuals have chosen to listen to the passions of their flesh.