[chotadipo]

...For example, were the civilian germans who got killed
>during WWII really innocent? They supported Hitler's ideology
>and so were just as guilty as hitler himself. That's the
>principle God used in meting out punishment during those
>times. The case of Sodom and Gomorrah is an example of God's
>care for the true innocents. He promised not to destroy the
>city if there were even 5 righteous people....but there were
>none. God gets jealousy yes. Ask yourself, how would u feel if
>u found ur spouse cheating on you? When we sin, we are
>consistently sleeping with the devil instead of our groom
>Jesus Christ thus cheating on him. He has the right to get
>angry.
>
>Read the story of the Israelites and you'll see why they were
>the chosen people. When Israelites failed, he finally decided
>to cast his net wide and let everyone who believes in Him
>inherit eternal life. See in the book of acts how he brings
>Gentiles into his circle much to the amazement of the
>disciples.
>
I have a hard time believing you wrote the above analogies. First of all generalisations are not admissible points in any argument. Do you sincerely believe 60 million germans were completely hook, line and sinker singing Hitler's "Nyayo juu" tune.
Second thing, why would God punish a city because the city is found wanting, yet the same God gave them free will in the first place?
Third, does anger equate to punishment. If I'm agnry with you I have to punish you? If I'm jealous I'm entitled to be angry. and I'm entitled to punish you. Do you see how obnoxious that sounds? What is the spouse was cheating on you because you cheat on her? Try reverse psychology and you will see teh folly of your arguments.
For your information, the same israelists you are referring to above do not hold Jesus as highly as Moses, to them the Torah is enough. To them some lunatic wrote acts to deny them their right. Prove them wrong!

[KEMINOKANA]

>I have a hard time believing you wrote the above analogies.
>First of all generalisations are not admissible points in any
>argument. Do you sincerely believe 60 million germans were
>completely hook, line and sinker singing Hitler's "Nyayo juu"
>tune.

I think so.

>Second thing, why would God punish a city because the city is
>found wanting, yet the same God gave them free will in the
>first place?

It is not free will bila concequences.

>Third, does anger equate to punishment. If I'm agnry with you
>I have to punish you? If I'm jealous I'm entitled to be angry.
>and I'm entitled to punish you. Do you see how obnoxious that
>sounds? What is the spouse was cheating on you because you
>cheat on her?

As Pebbles said somewhere, there is a difference btn the creator and the created. I used the jealousy analogy to inform the guy that if little things make us angry even when we are in the wrong, how can God not be angry and jealous when His creation disobeys Him? And by the way, God gives so many chances for one to redeem him/herself before He finally retaliates. Often, he'll give you red flags and if you keep ignoring them, he'll unleash the final blow. Wage of sin is death.

Try reverse psychology and you will see teh
>folly of your arguments.

Same thing the snake told Eve and guess who turned out stupid.

>For your information, the same israelists you are referring to
>above do not hold Jesus as highly as Moses, to them the Torah
>is enough. To them some lunatic wrote acts to deny them their
>right. Prove them wrong!

To each his own. I dont know why you bring in israelites coz I dont see anywhere in my post where I praised them. Plus, the fact that they dont hold him highly does not make it right. And I have every reason to believe that some of those are just angry that Jesus took away their special status and gave it to even gentiles.

[Americanized]

Moslems have their work cut out for them. You need to educate the world on Islam's view on the use of murder to solve theological disputes. Does Islam sanction jihad as seen through the eyes of terrorists? Does Islam sanction punishment by death for anyone who converts to Christianity? These issues need to be addressed in an open forum.

The current view of non-Moslems is that Moslems are quick to kill anyone who utters anything that can even be remotely considered an affront to Islam or prophet Mohammed. How can there be open discourse and elightenment when one party is armed and ready to chop your head off if you offend him?

I took a diversity class in college and they brought in some Moslem leader to create more awareness about Islam and dispel any misconceptions. It was a total disaster because everyone was scared to ask the questions they really needed the answers to because Moslems are notoriously touchy when it comes to religious issues. It was so uncomfortable, with everyone just waiting for the dude to get done and leave!

[nefertiti]

>Moslems have their work cut out for them. You need to educate
>the world on Islam's view on the use of murder to solve
>theological disputes. Does Islam sanction jihad as seen
>through the eyes of terrorists? Does Islam sanction punishment
>by death for anyone who converts to Christianity? These issues
>need to be addressed in an open forum.
>
>The current view of non-Moslems is that Moslems are quick to
>kill anyone who utters anything that can even be remotely
>considered an affront to Islam or prophet Mohammed. How can
>there be open discourse and elightenment when one party is
>armed and ready to chop your head off if you offend him?
>
>I took a diversity class in college and they brought in some
>Moslem leader to create more awareness about Islam and dispel
>any misconceptions. It was a total disaster because everyone
>was scared to ask the questions they really needed the answers
>to because Moslems are notoriously touchy when it comes to
>religious issues. It was so uncomfortable, with everyone just
>waiting for the dude to get done and leave!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this has chekeshad me coz i'm thinking if he was a professor all of y'all would probably make sure to say the 'right' things to ensure you don't fail the class.Christianity has its issues but modern day xtians do have that advatage in that despite how pissed off some get over mob 'uncomfortable' truths, facts or questions, the threat level is almost non existent with most.

[teejay]

>It's true - and it's also true that the Christian god Jehovah
>killed, had killed or commanded his people to kill those Jews
>who converted from Judaism to other religions. That is such an
>issue that it's the first of the ten commandments - Exodus
>20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And that is a big Amen Atlian. For you have quoted the living word of Jehovah

May I also say that a creation is subject to the maker (creator) Therfore should the creator deem it fit to eliminate those people who transgress his laws then may it be so.

We as His (Jehovah’s) subjects must always revere Him for we owe allegiance to none other but Him. Those other Gods are just statues that are carried by those same people who fool themselves that the statues are the highest supreme authority.

But then here is the catch. God doesn’t eliminate a person out of grudge but out of mercy and Love. Remember He has the ability to see whether can change their future or not. Therefore those people whom God destroyed at that time and any other time were weighed and found wanting. In God’s projection those people were headed for their own doom. Thus their impunity attracted divine wrath. We need to know is that the presence of sin before God is so filthy and for the Heavens to arrive at such a decision then the sin must have filled the measure of the cup.

But then through love we are still able to be close to God for He sent us Christ to restore a fallen race unto Himself.

>BTW apart from killing those who convert, god also kills
>people just for believing in a different religion or god. I
>can't even paste the number of times this happened, coz the
>list would be too long.

Let me repeat this again to you ATlian in simple terms. You owe your life to your maker. You are his subject. If you disregard his directives that will be at your won peril. We all know that every action has a resulting consequence. Positive (virtue) actions results favorable rewards while negative (vice) action results in punitive remedy

>So Pebbles, tafadhali ease up on the hypocrisy and first
>address the exact same question to your religion and to your
>god - "Is it true, could it possibly be true, that what I read
>is what the BIBLE teaches; to kill those JEWS who convert to
>other religions?"

God dislikes prodigal behavior but nevertheless welcomes he who is sincerely remorseful. God Commanded that those who will not honor him be eliminated. To me it is an act of absolute madness for a person to mould an object and call it a god yet the object has to be moved form one place to another. Wewe Atlian mtu kama huyo hata wewe utafanya nini naye?

Being God is not an easy work esp when dealing with humans.Just try and think of the days you've been assigned ane event organizer.

[chotadipo]

>Being God is not an easy work esp when dealing with
>humans.Just try and think of the days you've been assigned ane
>event organizer.
>

I will not bother to offer rubuttals on your post since it seems you do not bother to go through topics that have been discussed before. This god you say created you, gave you free will to do as you please, then punishes you,...do I need to continue?

[spairo]

>I have a burdening question in my heart for my Muslim
>brothers and/or sisters. Is it true, could it possibly be
>true, that what I read is what the Koran teaches; to kill
>those muslims who convert to other religions, e.g.
>Christianity?
>
>Educate me on this because I have not read the Koran at all.
>If it is true, please explain to satisfy my delicate
>understanding. Or is this a lie "people" have cooked up
>against the Muslims?

I don’t think in my life time I have come across any AYA in the Quran which advocate killing of someone who apostasy.
Its not there in Quran, in fact Quran talk of there is no compulsion in religion, just a single Hadith (saying of the prophet which talk of this) even prophet himself did not practice killing of those who leave the religion, no single case has been written down concerning this issue.
So for you who thinks is good just to comment on Islam matter basing your argument to incidence of few deranged Afghans….then think twice about the religion of peace…which is Islam.

[Americanized]

Just a question: How can you take a religion seriously when it's adherents claim their religion is a religion of peace, without addressing the "elephant in the room"- that is, the fact that the chief prophet if Islam -Mohammed- raised an army and attacked a city in order to establish himself as a prophet? Can somebody please address this issue?

[spairo]

>Just a question: How can you take a religion seriously when
>it's adherents claim their religion is a religion of peace,
>without addressing the "elephant in the room"- that is, the
>fact that the chief prophet if Islam -Mohammed- raised an army
>and attacked a city in order to establish himself as a
>prophet? Can somebody please address this issue?


Ha ha ha what a pity! Never in the history of Islam did Prophet Muhammad raise an army to attack a city, never! The first war he fought was to defend themselves against the Infidels of Mecca; the second war was a deterrent war against the same guys. Muhammad was chased from his birth place by the same people and he regained Mecca by peaceful means. Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and Andalusia (Spain), Islam was not spread by War or Sword. The most populous Islamic nation today is Indonesia, and if your mental faculty works well…have you heard of any war between Islam and the then Paganic Indonesia? But the reverse is amazing; the Christian crusaders are the one who killed over a million Muslims in Spain and Jerusalem during the tenure of Pope Luis. No history has shown Muslims killing Christians or subjects them to torture for them to be Muslims. The Egyptians Christian Coptic’s and the Greek Malachi Christians enjoyed the freedom during the Islam peaceful expansion towards the North Africa. Yet prior to expansion this two groups were on each other throats, Muslims were the one who arbitrate between them.
History has it how Christians were busy trying to clear the Jews during the holocaust, has the world seen such genocide before? Or the Catholics nuns of Rwanda who aided the rebels to clear the Hutus. Islam has never been associated with these devilish acts.

[HIM]

>History has it how Christians were busy trying to clear the
>Jews during the holocaust, has the world seen such genocide
>before? Or the Catholics nuns of Rwanda who aided the rebels
>to clear the Hutus. Islam has never been associated with these
>devilish acts.


@Spairo,
It seems I missed the memo.

So was it Christians who carried out the Nairobi and Dar Embassy bombings? And Paradise hotel bombing?

Islam is just full of sh1t! Now, declare a jihad on my ass!