Mashada - African Chat, Discussions, Blogs, Photos, Classifieds & More!
 
HOME Forums Chat Photos Blog Events Calendar Directory

Go Back   Mashada Forums > Society & Culture > Religion & Philosophy > Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
(#1 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-28-2006, 09:56 AM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law?



by Ibrahim B. Syed, Ph. D.
President
Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
7102 W. Shefford Lane
Louisville, KY 40242-6462, U.S.A.
E-mail: IRFI@INAME.COM
Website: http://WWW.IRFI.ORG



Ridda or Irtidãd: Literally means "turning back". The act of apostasy -- leaving Islam for another religion or for a secular lifestyle.

Murtadd: Literally means "one who turns the back." An apostate.

Murtad Fitri: Literally means apostate - natural. A person born of a Muslim parent who later rejects Islam.

Murtad Milli: Literally means apostate - from the community. A person who converted to Islam and later rejected the religion.

Due lack of education and critical thinking several myths have taken root in the Muslim world over the ages, and there have not been any efforts in the past to clear these doubts. On the contrary, there has been a sort of effort to strengthen these myths and misconceptions. These misinterpretations of Islamic teachings have taken their toll on the Muslim world and have strengthened a misplaced perception that Islam is a symbol of obscurantism, a religion of intolerance and answers everything with the sword.

And there is no bigger misconception-strengthened with misunderstanding of Islamic beliefs over the years-other than the belief that Islam doesn't tolerate apostasy. The Christian missionaries and the Western world are cashing in on it. Ulama have tried to strengthen their point of view and several leading Muslim reformists have failed to tackle the issue. This misconception has also presented Islam as a medieval and killer religion. Islam bashers have time and again tried to carry the point by pointing out that Islam orders the killing of a person if he or she reverts to another religion from Islam.

No body is forthcoming to challenge this widely held belief as well as put forth a convincing argument about the misinterpretation of Qur'anic teachings by Ulama.

The Qur’an is completely silent on any worldly punishment for apostasy and the sole Tradition that forms the basis of rulings is open to many interpretations.

Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: ‘Whosoever changes his religion, Kill Him (man baddala Dinahu faqtuluhu)’”. It is this last quote from the Prophet that forms the basis of the said ruling.
While jurists are agreed on the authenticity of this tradition, they differ very widely on the appropriate interpretation and thus, the law concerning apostasy. Understanding the different viewpoints, and arriving at the truth is crucial to our discussion of this subject.



This tradition does not refer to Muslims who leave the religion of Islam for other religions. Finally, there is the crucial dispute over the nature of the punishment and the crime. Al-Nakha’ee and, according to Sha’rani, al-Thawri, hold that the apostate is a grave sinner who should however be continuously called back to the fold for the rest of his life, and not killed. By implication, they do not consider the offence a hadd (fixed penalty) offence with a fixed punishment that must be carried out. This view is similar to the view that apostasy is a sin that carries no fixed punishment, and any penalty for it is discretionary (ta’zeer). This is a view held by the Hanbali scholar, Ibn Taimiya and he attributes it as well to the Maliki Imam al-Baji. Among Hanafites, the jurist Shamsuddeen al-Sarakhshi holds the same view. He says in al Mabsut that the fixed penalties or hudud are generally not suspended because of repentance, especially when they are reported and become known to the Imam. He then adds in the case of apostasy “renunciation of the faith and conversion to disbelief is admittedly the greatest of offences, yet it is a matter between man and his Creator, and its punishment is postponed to the day of Judgement. (“fa’l jaza’ ‘alayha mu’akhkhar ila dar al-jaza”).



If repentance is accepted, then apostasy is not a hadd offence with a fixed punishment. Secondly, once scholars accept that a Muslim apostate has the right to be given the opportunity to repent, they lose the right to set a time limit for his repentance.



Allah (SWT) says in the Glorious Qur’an (39: 53-54: Say: “ O you servants of Mine who have transgressed against your own selves! Despair not of God’s mercy. Behold God forgives all sins, for verily He is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace! Hence, turn toward your sustainer and surrender yourselves unto him before the suffering (of death and resurrection) comes upon you for then you will not be succored.”



Any scholar who says the death sentence applies to leaving the faith, then the convict is to be given a life-time to repent, and this is the view of Sufyan al-Thawri, Ibrahim al-Nakha’ee, Shamsuddeen al-Sarakhshi, Imam al-Baji and, by strong implication, Ahmad Ibn Taimiya. One must conclude that the death sentence is not for “simple apostasy” (mujarrad al-ridda), but for apostasy accompanied by treason and sedition, or by the abuse and slander (sabb) of the Noble Prophet.

Freedom to convert to or from Islam
"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance." Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Glorious Qur'an says, "Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Surely the Right Path is clearly distinct from the crooked path." Al Baqarah, 2:256.
"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." Surah An-Nisa', 4:137.
For example, the Qur'an says: "Let him who wishes to believe, do so; and let him who wishes to disbelieve, do so." (Al-Kahf: 29)

In another verse, Allah Almighty says: "Yours is only the duty to convey the message; you are not a guardian over them." (Al-Ghashiyah: 21- 22)

The quotation from Surah An-Nisa', 4:137, shown above, seems to imply that multiple, sequential apostasies are possible. That would not be possible if the person were executed after the first apostasy.

From the above verses it can be argued that religious freedom and the absence of compulsion in religion requires that individuals be allowed adopt a religion or to convert to another religion without legal penalty.

Hence the death penalty is not an appropriate response to apostasy.

The former Chief Justice of Pakistan, SA Rahman, has written that there is no reference to the death penalty in any of the 20 instances of apostasy mentioned in the Qur'an.

Muslims who support the death penalty for apostasy use as their foundation the above cited hadith, in which the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: "Kill whoever changes his religion." But this is a weak foundation because this hadith was only transmitted from Muhammad (pbuh) by one individual. It was not confirmed by a second person. According to Islamic law, this is insufficient confirmation to impose the death penalty. The Shari`ah has not fixed any punishment for apostasy.



The hadith is so generally worded that it would require the death penalty for a Christian or Jew who converted to Islam. This is obviously not the prophet's intent. The hadith is in need of further specification, which has not been documented. Many scholars interpret this passage as referring only to instances of high treason. (e.g. declaring war on Islam, Muhammad (pbuh), God, etc.).

There is no historical record, which indicates that Muhammad (pbuh) or any of his companions ever sentenced anyone to death for apostasy.

The issue of killing a murtad or the apostate is not a simple one. Scholars have debated it from various angles and it is not simply an issue of killing someone for choosing one religion or another.

The question of apostasy has been debated among scholars based on their interpretations of some hadiths since the Qur'an does not specify any worldly punishment for it. For example, there was a case at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) where a man came to him in three consecutive days and told him that he wanted to apostate. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never took any action against him, and when the man finally left Madina, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never sent anyone to arrest him, let alone kill him.

This is why some scholars distinguished between individual apostasy and apostasy which is accompanied by high treason. So, it cannot be confused with the freedom of conscience for every individual, which has been guaranteed in the Qur'an through hundreds of verses.

For example, one version of a hadith narrated by `A'isha (RA) concerning apostasy relates to one who left his religion and fought against Muslims.

QUR'ANIC VIEWS

The Qur’an has referred to the issue of apostasy at more than one place (for example see Al-Baqarah 2: 217, Al-Baqarah 2: 108, A’l Imra’n 3: 90, Al-Nisa’ 4: 137 and Al-Nahl 16: 106). But at none of these places does the Qur’an mention the punishment of death for such people who change their religion. The Qur’an does mention that such people shall face a terrible punishment in the hereafter but no worldly punishment is mentioned at any of these instances in the Qur’an. This situation obviously raises a question mark in the mind of the reader that if Allah had wanted to give the punishment of an apostate a permanent position in the Shari`ah, the punishment should have been mentioned, at least at one of the above mentioned places. If the Qur’an had kept completely silent about the apostate, the matter would have been different. But the strange thing is that the Qur’an mentions apostasy, and still does not mention the punishment (if any) it wants the apostate to be subjected to.

Furthermore, the Qur’an has strictly disallowed the imposition of the death penalty except in two specific cases. One of them is where the person is guilty of murdering another person and the other is where a person is guilty of creating unrest in the country (fasa’d fil-ardh) like being involved in activities that create unrest in a society, for example activities like terrorism etc. The Qur’an says:

Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind. (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

Obviously, apostasy can neither be termed as "murder" nor "creating unrest in the land".

Thus, in view of the above facts, we are left with one option only. We can only say that either the saying has been wrongly ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh), as it is clearly contradictory to the Qur’an and the Prophet could not have said anything contradictory to the Qur’an, or that the saying ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) relates not to all apostates but to a particular and specific people.

Shaykh Subhani

Shaykh Inayatullah Subhani (author of the Book Apostasy doesn't carry death penalty in Islam) says that neither Islam forces any person to embrace neither Islam nor it forces him to remain within its fold. He writes, "Apostasy has been mentioned several times in Qur'an. It also describes the bad treatment that will be meted out for committing apostasy, but it never talks of punishment for the crime in this world." The learned scholar mentions three Ayaat (verses) from Qur'an on apostasy (Al-Baqara 217, Muhammad 25-27 and Al-Maida 54) and then says that none of these Ayaat prescribes any punishment for that though these Ayaat pass strictures on the people who commit it. There are several other Ayaat on the same issue and none of them prescribes either death penalty or any other punishment for apostasy in this world. He then adds that had there been some punishment in Islam for apostasy there was no reason as to why the issue was mentioned repeatedly in Qur'an but no punishment was prescribed.

Misinterpretation of the hadith, Man baddala Dinahu faqtuluh (kill him who changes his religion) has caused the problem. This order has been made to look general and permanent, though it was said in a particular circumstance for a particular group. Shaykh Subhani writes that this order was made to counter a scheme prepared by Jews of Madinah. They had planned that some of them embrace Islam for some time and then return to their old religion. Then some other people do the same. It was aimed to create restlessness among Muslims against their own leadership so that the strong Muslim unity should start crumbling. It was made clear in Qur'an in (Aal Imran, 3: 72-73).

To counter this planning the Prophet (SAW) ordered his companions to act in such a manner. Despite this order lengthy investigations were made to ascertain that the case was true and the person concerned was given adequate time to explain before the punishment was carried out.

Shaykh Subhani says lack of clear grasp of Qur'an misguided even leading Ulama. Otherwise it was not difficult to understand the hadith. Qur'anic teachings on the issue were not kept in mind.

He emphasizes that people who were awarded death penalty for reverting to other religions from Islam during the time of the Prophet (SAW) or during the reign of his caliphs were not given the punishment for the crime of apostasy but for the fact that they were at war with Muslims and Islamic government.

Shaykh Subhani regrets that punishment that was prescribed for certain people under special circumstances was made to look like a general order. He says that it was the order for people who posed threat to Islamic state and became at war with Islam and not for any person who reverts to other religion.

A number of Islamic scholars from past centuries, Ibrahim al-Naka'I, Sufyan al-Thawri, Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi, Abul Walid al-Baji and Ibn Taymiyyah, have all held that apostasy is a serious sin, but not one that requires the death penalty. In modern times, Mahmud Shaltut, Sheikh of al-Azhar, and Dr Mohammed Sayed Tantawi have concurred.

In conclusion, we must never confuse the issue of killing a murtad with the freedom of conscience guaranteed in the Glorious Qur'an. For a detailed discussion, one should read (1) the Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's book on this issue: Jareemat ar-riddah wal murtadd (The Crime of Apostasy and Apostate) - published by Ar-Risalah foundation.


source:http://www.irfi.org/articles/article..._in_the_is.htm
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Reply With Quote
(#2 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-28-2006, 10:56 AM

.
"A man's behavior is the index of the man, and his speech is the index of his understanding." Ali ibn Abu Talib (RAA)
 
Reply With Quote
(#3 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
satjas
 
Posts: 588
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: .
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-30-2006, 12:04 PM

Hey coach,

I thought i would contribute.......and before you go ranting that this is from an anti-islamist source rest assured it's by a fellow muslim brother, probably more learned than you, no offence!!! Now we both know how to cut and paste.....and please tell Mbajuni it's not that hard, doesn't tire fingers....she can put them to good use elsewhere!! (in response to a post somewhere)


http://www.light-of-life.com/eng/ilaw/

Introduction

Table of Contents

The renaissance of Islam has been stimulated strongly through a repeated increase in the price of oil since 1973. With this has come a new awareness of legislation in the Islamic states.

The legal basis of Islam is the Sharia, Islamic law, that controls and orders all areas of life. It is not a moral law for the sensitising of conscience but is a penal law, requiring the punishment of violators through an instrument of the state. Islam demands a religious state as an executor to enforce the law.

A Muslim is not free to believe or do what he wishes. He is under Islamic law, which was derived and assimilated from the Qur´an, the example of Muhammad (sunna), the final analogy (qijas) and consensus (idjmaa).

Islam describes Muslims as worshippers and slaves of Allah (ibaad Allah). They have submitted themselves to him and are therefore his possession. The word Islam means, "surrender, devotion and submission".

Whoever falls away from faith in Islam commits -- from an Islamic perspective -- an unforgivable sin. He takes himself away from Allah, his owner -- which is theft -- and weakens the Islamic state, an action branded as revolt or insurrection. He who falls away from Islam must, according to the Sharia, be prosecuted, taken into custody by force, and called on to repent. If necessary, his return is to be "helped" along with torture. He who does not embrace Islam again has, according to the Sharia, forfeited his life and is to be put to death by the state. According to the daily paper, Al Alam, King Hassan II of Morocco, who is also the imam of his country, presented the following state of affairs before a human rights commission on May 15, 1990:

"If a Muslim says, 'I have embraced another religion instead of Islam,' he -- before he is called to repentance -- will be brought before a group of medical specialists, so that they can examine him to see if he is still in his right mind.

After he has then been called to repentance, but decides to hold fast to the testimony of another religion not coming from Allah -- that is, not Islam -- he will be judged."

Such thinking abounded in Christian churches during the Middle Ages, too. The Inquisition took on violent proportions and carried out the governmental functions of punishment. However, this madness in Church history was in direct opposition to the law and spirit of Christ. Indeed, the New Testament upholds the teaching of eternal punishment for the godless and for those who fall from living faith in Christ; but with the Parable of the Lost Son (Luke 15:11-24), Jesus teaches that the father waited for the rebellious son until he returned, and then he rushed out to meet him. The father did not have him searched for, kept under surveillance, followed, locked up, tortured, starved or killed. The spirit of Christ grants freedom and does not kill. But the revelations of Allah in the Qur´an require the death of all apostates. The grace and love of Christ are greater than the hate and law of Islam; this grace and love oppose the efforts of all inquisitors. Whoever follows Christ loves apostates and does not condemn them.

Islamic states are presently renewing their legislation, replacing it with earlier Islamic structures, and are trying to rid themselves of the influence of colonial powers. In most of the Islamic countries, endeavours are underway to make the Qur´an and the Sunna the basis of modern legislation.

Not all Muslims agree with this retreat into the Islamic Middle Ages of earlier times. Our world has become smaller through modern travel and telecommunication. The influences of humanism, rationalism, technology and modern living have left their mark on many Muslims. One-third to one-half of the Muslim population in Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Indonesia resists the introduction of the Sharia. They do not wish to come under the yoke of oppression again -- one which would demand that thieves have their hands and feet amputated, adulterers be whipped, and converts be killed.

However, one-fourth to one-third of the Islamic population passionately demands the immediate introduction of the Sharia and is prepared, in some places, to enforce it with the help of terrorism and revolutions. In each Islamic country, fundamentalists and liberals wrestle over the Sharia. In Syria, these differences led to a civil war in 1982 -- one in which the army brutally defeated the uprising of the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey was already rid of the Sharia by 1926, emerging as a secular state. But in other countries a re-Islamisation is underway -- especially in Morocco, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, where the Sharia or the Qur´an have been legally introduced as fundamental law. Until now, the enforcement rulings have not been enacted in detail, nor have they been abandoned. The establishing of the Sharia and its enforcement is subject to a continual developmental process in all Islamic countries.

The punishment of apostates from Islam is being demanded again and again by Islamic jurists and fundamentalists who stimulate public opinion; individual converts are persecuted by fanatics or placed under pressure by their own families. The slander against these witnesses of Jesus Christ and their subsequent imprisonment have been an acknowledged and ever-recurring fact during the last 20 years in Morocco, Egypt, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan. Many have been tortured. Some have died during their imprisonment. Parents have locked up their daughters in storage chambers, letting them die of thirst. Islam is an intolerant spirit. According to Western ideas of freedom of religion, Islam consistently resists basic human rights.

The frequent reprinting of this book which, since 1934, has undergone eight revisions, makes the often bitter clashes over the Sharia and its implementation in individual countries even more apparent. The translator of the following extract, who is a graduate from an Islamic school of law, has translated similar texts from the Arabic -- texts which present and explain the penalty for apostasy in Islam.

Those responsible for harbouring refugees should not let themselves be deceived by Muslim translators who claim that there is no religious persecution in their countries; rather, they should study the legal demands of the Sharia explained in this book. Liberal theologians and everyone who is concerned with establishing peace among religions should consider this discussion of law, not remaining imprisoned by the ideas of the Enlightenment. Responsible Christians must realise that Islam is an anti-Christian religion that never allows the conversion of a Muslim to Jesus, for the fundamentals of Islamic law demand his death.

This translation is not intended as a Christian apologetic but serves to clarify the discussions between the religions objectively, leading the reader to a foundational legal understanding of Islamic law, free from mystical speculation and humanistic wishful-thinking.

Abd al-Masih

1. When Does a Muslim Become an Apostate?

Table of Contents

Apostasy -- Allah forbid it -- is the unbelief of a Muslim who had publicly confessed faith in Islam willingly, according to his knowledge of the fundamentals of Islam, by professing the two main articles of faith (al-shahadatain):

There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is his messenger.

Apostasy can occur by an explicit declaration, such as, "I associate other gods alongside Allah" (usherek billah), or by a claim that results in blasphemy, such as, "Allah has a material substance or a shape just like other substances or shapes" (kufr), or by an action that clearly resembles blasphemy, such as carelessly discarding a Qur´an, or parts of it, or even a word of it (not as an honourable way of disposing it, or as a treatment for the sick), as well as burning the Qur´an out of contempt, and every manner of soiling it (such as putting it in a holy place that has become dirty, or staining it with an unclean substance, such as turning its pages with fingers that have been licked).

The same holds true for "the most beautiful names of Allah," the Hadith collections (traditions), the works of Islamic law and theology, when the Sharia and its regulations are thereby treated with disrespect or contempt, as well as the names of the prophets, or the wearing of a belt -- assigned to unbelievers -- as a leaning toward unbelief. But if a Muslim does this in jest, it is regarded only as a forbidden action (haram).

The same holds true when a Muslim enters a church, worships an idol, or learns and practises magic, for by magic one glorifies a name other than Allah and ascribes predestination, knowledge and control of fate to someone other than Allah.

A Muslim loses his faith when he says that the world has always existed from eternity (qadim), for this assumption denies the existence of the Creator, or when he says that the world is everlasting and without end, since this is a denial of resurrection -- even if he himself believes in the resurrection.

A Muslim also becomes an unbeliever and blasphemer when he denies the existence of Allah, believes in the transmigration of souls (reincarnation) -- since this is a denial of resurrection -- or when he denies a decision agreed upon unanimously by the Islamic community (ummah), such as the obligatory necessity of prayer and fasting or the prohibition of adultery. He also becomes a blasphemer when he denies that which is allowed (halal) -- things over which the scholars of law agree, concerning what can be definitively concluded according to religion based on the Qur´an and the unbroken, traditional Sunna (the path, lifestyle and manners) of the Prophet.

A Muslim loses his faith when he suggests the possibility of prophethood being acquired through spiritual exercise, since that would imply the possible arising of a prophet after Muhammad. The same holds true when he curses a prophet or denigrates an angel whose positions are unanimously upheld by the consensus of the Umma. Apostasy also occurs if he, when talking about a prophet or angel, says, "As for me, I am not an adulterer or a magician," if he accuses a prophet of having a deficiency -- even a physical one, such as a limp or paralysis -- or if he questions the perfection of his knowledge, since each prophet is the most knowledgeable person of his age (but the master of prophets is the Prophet Muhammad -- Allah pray for him and grant him peace -- for he is absolutely the most knowledgeable in all creation). Furthermore, a Muslim becomes an apostate if he defames a prophet's character, morals, virtues, or religion, if he accuses angels of having bad qualities, or if he questions the efficacy of a prophet's asceticism.

Muslim scholars (imams) have said: Apostasy must be determined by the testimony of two upright adult witnesses whose accounts agree. When a judge asks how the Muslim fell from the faith, the witness must say, "He says such and such or does such and such."

All four imams (the founders of the four schools of Islamic law) -- may Allah have mercy upon them -- agree that the apostate whose fall from Islam is beyond doubt -- may Allah forbid it -- must be killed, and his blood must be spilled without reservation. The hypocrite and heretic (zindiq) who poses as a Muslim but has secretly remained an unbeliever must also be killed.

2. Calling the Apostate to Repentance

Table of Contents

The Hanafites: When the Muslim falls away from Islam -- may Allah forbid it! -- he is first asked to return. If he has doubts, he is to express them; one can then clear up his doubts, for it may be that he truly has questions with regard to the faith -- questions in need of explanation. By this it is possible to deal with his evil deed (sharr) through the best of two possibilities: death or the acceptance of Islam. However, it remains desirable to offer him the acceptance of Islam again, although this is not obligatory, because the message had already been offered him once.

If he needs time to reconsider, it is desirable that the judge allow him a three-day extension, during which he is to remain in custody. If he accepts Islam thereafter, it is good; if not, he is to be killed, for Allah says to "kill those who believe in many gods" (Sura al-Tawba 9:5), without fixing a deadline. The Prophet also said, "Kill him who changes his religion," without mentioning a delay, because the apostate is surely a hostile unbeliever and no asylum seeker (musta'min) who has asked for protection; furthermore, he is no dhimmi (a non-Muslim under Islamic rule), for no poll tax is demanded of him. Therefore, he should be killed without reservation.

The Hanafites are of the opinion that it does not matter whether the apostate is a freeman or a slave.

The Shafi´ites: If a Muslim becomes apostate -- Allah forbid! -- the imam should grant him three days' grace; he is not to be killed before this period expires, for the apostasy of a Muslim from his faith often results from his confusion. Therefore a grace period is necessary, so that he can reflect, and that the truth can become clear to him again. We, the Shafi´ites, have determined that this time should consist of three days, whether he asks for it or not.

It has been told about our master, Umar b. al-Khattab -- may Allah be pleased with him -- that a man was sent to him by Abu Mosa al-Ashaari. Umar asked him: "Do you have any good news?"; the man said, "Yes, a man apostatised from Islam, so we killed him." Umar said: "Did you first take him into custody for three days, giving him one loaf per day, so that he may repent? O Allah -- you are a witness -- I was not there, neither did I give any orders, nor did I concede to that action." This story was mentioned by Malek the imam in his book, Al-Muwattu, to the effect that Umar disapproved of what they did. Thus, one can conclude from this event that an apostate must be given a three-day time limit before he is put to death.

If the apostate repents, or utters the two main articles of faith (al-shahadatain), or confesses faith in the oneness of Allah (monotheism), he will be released. But if he does not repent, he is to be killed by the sword immediately. This punishment cannot be evaded, because apostasy is the most atrocious and severe form of blasphemy, and it deserves the cruellest judgement, which invalidates all of a Muslim's previous deeds. Allah says: "And for those among you who allow themselves to be led astray from their religion, and who die as unbelievers, their works are invalid now and in eternity" (Sura al-Baqara 2:217). If the apostate returns to Islam, he need not repeat the pilgrimage which had been performed before the apostasy. This is unlike the Hanafites who said: If the apostate repents, he must repeat the pilgrimage, because his apostasy has nullified it.

The Malikites: The imam should grant the apostate three days and nights -- beginning with the day on which his apostasy was committed, and not with the day of his unbelief or the day upon which the accusation was brought against him. The three days of confinement are to follow in succession, and the day on which the apostasy was proven should not be considered as part of the time limit, if it was preceded by dawn. During his confinement, he is to be given food and drink, which are to be paid out of his assets, while his wife and children are not being cared for by his assets. If he has no assets, he is to be cared for by the public treasury or House of Property (bait ulmal), whether he promises to repent or not. He is not to be beaten in prison, even if he persists in his apostasy. He is surely to be given many chances to repent within this time-limit, in order to prevent bloodshed or punishment resulting from doubts. This should clear up his doubts and give him time to reconsider, so that he may change his mind and repent. If the judge decides on his death before the end of this grace period, his decision is legally binding, because he has ruled on a disputed issue. If he repents after three days, he is to be released; but if he does not, he is to be killed on the third day, at sunset. His corpse is to be neither washed nor embalmed. He is to be buried neither in the cemeteries of the Muslims nor of the unbelievers (kuffar), for he is not one of them, having once been a Muslim. In fact, his body is to be thrown upon the ground as a public example.

The Hanbalites: There are two opinions on this issue. Some believe that the apostate should be given a period for repentance consisting of three days, while others are of the opinion that he is to be granted no time for reconsideration but should only be offered Islam. If he accepts the offer, he is to be set free; if not, he is to be put to death immediately.

3. The Case of the Female Apostate

Table of Contents

The Shafi´ites, Hanbalites and Malikites say: The verdict for the female apostate is the same as for the male. She must be called on to return to Islam for three days, prior to her death, for an evil-doer may have confused her understanding; thus the possibility exists for her being released from her confusion. Offering the apostate a time limit for repentance has been approved. According to a tradition related by Daruqutni, quoting from Djabir b. Abdillah, the Prophet offered Islam to a woman named Ummu Rumman who had previously apostatised. Furthermore, the Prophet said, "It is good if she repents. If she does not, she is to be killed, since by apostasy she should be treated like a woman who has fought against Muslims, being taken captive in a holy war (jihad); thus it is lawful to kill her with the sword. Moreover, her guilt is far more abominable than women who are taken captive in a holy war, since she has become a Muslim."

The Prophet -- the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him -- said, "He who changes his religion must be killed"; this holds true both for men and women. The apostasy of a man calls for putting him to death. It is unanimously agreed upon that apostasy is a horrible crime deserving a horrible punishment. The apostasy of a woman is no less horrible. Therefore, it too deserves a corresponding punishment: death.

The Malikites: The death of a nursing woman must be postponed until the time for nursing her infant has been completed, if either no wetnurse can be found or if the babe cannot accept another woman in place of its mother. The death of a married woman and of a divorced woman who was given the option of returning (talaqu radj'a) must also be postponed. As for the divorced woman who refuses to return, she must be killed without hesitation, unless she is menstruating (even if she should menstruate only every five years). If she has no period, owing to a weakness or questionable menopause, she is to be left in peace for three months, in case she is thought to be pregnant. If she is not thought to be pregnant, she is to be killed immediately after being called to repent. If unmarried, she is not to be acquitted.

The Hanafites: The apostate woman is not to be killed; but if she kills someone, she is not to be taken into custody, be she a free woman or a slave, for the Prophet has forbidden that women should be killed. It is also better to postpone punishment to the afterlife, since hastening it violates the concept of tribulation (mabada' al-Ibtila'). The only acceptable exception to this rule is for war (al-Harab). However, women, unlike men, are no real danger in war time, so the apostate woman is to be treated like one who has never been a Muslim. Every punishment has to be stipulated, having some benefit for us in this world; that is, the punishment for slander, drinking, adultery, theft. Thus, punishment has been legalised to protect people, honour, minds, relationships and money. The death sentence upon an apostate should be with the aim of preventing evil, not as a retribution for apostasy, since Allah will repay an apostate with a greater retribution. So, punishment is confined to those who can fight (that is, men). That is why the Prophet -- the blessing of Allah be upon him -- forbid putting women to death, since they are not involved in battles. This is according to tradition. (According to one tradition, the Prophet allowed an apostate woman to be killed, not only for her apostasy but also for her being a witch and a poet who mocked him and incited her thirty sons against him.)

The apostate woman is to be thrown in prison until she returns to Islam or dies, being whipped thirty-nine times every day -- which is nothing less than death; uninterrupted whipping inevitably leads to death. She must be imprisoned, because she, after being a Muslim, did not give Allah the rights due him; so she must be obliged to pay back these rights by being imprisoned.

According to a tradition in al-djamius's-sagir, the woman, whether free or slave, must be forced to embrace Islam. A concubine is forced by her master, because two rights are being dealt with: the right of Allah and the right of the master. The free woman who apostatises is not to be enslaved, as long as she remains in the House of Islam. But she is to be beaten excessively every day, in order to force her to return to Islam and regain her heritage; otherwise, her Muslim husband will inherit all her belongings.

Abu Yusuf, quoting from Abi Hanifa, quoting from Aasem Ibn Abi al-Gonood, quoting from Abi Razeen, quoting from Ibn Abbas -- the peace of Allah be upon them -- said: "Do not kill women if they apostatise from Islam. They must be imprisoned, offered the chance to return to the faith, and then forced to do so."

It is quoted from Ibn Umar that a woman was killed during one of the Prophet's conquests. Therefore, the Prophet of Allah -- peace be upon him -- forbid the killing of women and children. Muhammad narrated: "It came to our knowledge that Ibn Abbas said, 'If a woman apostatises from Islam, she must be imprisoned.'" Such an opinion is not an interpretative one.

It is said, quoted from Moaz Ibn Gabal -- peace be upon him -- that the Prophet of Allah -- peace and blessings be upon him -- said to him when he was resurrected to the right: "Any man who apostatises from Islam is to be given the chance to return to the faith. If he repents, accept his repentance. But if he does not, cut off his head. Any woman who apostatises from Islam is to be offered the chance to return. If she repents, accept her repentance. If she does not repent, give her a second chance, etc." (Hadith).

It is quoted from Imam Ali that Daruqutni -- peace be upon him -- said in his Hadith collection that an apostate woman is to be given a chance to repent. She should not be put to death.

There is evidence that the Hanifites said that the apostate woman should not be killed but should be only imprisoned and beaten.



go to CHAPTER 4 - The Possessions of the Apostate

© Copyright by Light of Life · Villach · Austria

Write us: response@light-of-life.com


-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
 
Reply With Quote
(#4 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-31-2006, 02:48 PM

You don't seem to understand how the Shari'a Law works. The highest priority is given to the Qur'an and any Laws written in it are abided with without any qualms. If a Law is not mentionned in the Qur'an, you go to the second source for Law, that is the Sunnah. Qiyas and Ijma'a come after. The Qur'an is very clear when it comes to respecting human life and freedom to believe in what you want.

"Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Surely the Right Path is clearly distinct from the crooked path." (Al Baqarah 2:256)

Can you argue with such a clear verse in the Qur'an? Of course not! But some still do.

"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." (Surah An-Nisa' 4:137)

Do you see here the Qur'an saying that someone who disbelieves after believing should be put to death? I think not!

"Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind." (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

Do you see apostasy listed there? Apostates who commit high treason fall under those who "create unrest in the land" and their penalty is death. But AbdulRahman was not conspiring to undermine a legitimate Islamic govt now was he?

Instead of yapping here and there, bring a clear verse from the Qur'an that says apostates should be killed. I have shown you with evidence from the Qur'an what there punishment is; that is a punishment in the hereafter.
 
Reply With Quote
(#5 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
satjas
 
Posts: 588
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: .
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-31-2006, 02:53 PM

Hey Coach,

Man, i wonder sometimes how brainwashed one needs to be not to see for themselves what they are saying.....read your own post again, very slowly......

Imagine now I bring to you another verse

8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.

and i ask you Coach, can it get any clearer than that??....I have brought you what you asked for......is it not clear that it says allah slew them????

man, you guys are so brainwashed its just laughable.....

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
 
Reply With Quote
(#6 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-31-2006, 03:03 PM

I think before I speak. Now you go back and start from the first post, read out loud, slowly. Perhaps then, you will comprehend the essence of the matter.

You are one funny dude, your ignorance and hastiness in drawing criticism often fogs your intellect and this is a perfect example. The verse you just quoted is not dealing with apostasy but with a certain war. Read the verse again, sloooooowly (as you recommend others to do - pratise what you preach).


"A man's behavior is the index of the man, and his speech is the index of his understanding." Ali ibn Abu Talib (RAA)
 
Reply With Quote
(#7 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
satjas
 
Posts: 588
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: .
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-31-2006, 03:22 PM

Hey coach

>You are one funny dude,

I'm glad you find me funny

>your ignorance and hastiness in
>drawing criticism often fogs your intellect and this is a
>perfect example.

hey dude i am far more dumber than that, don't give me credit when i don't deserve it.

>The verse you just quoted is not dealing with
>apostasy but with a certain war. Read the verse again,
>sloooooowly

you know what Coach, it doesn't blooming matter whether it regards apostasy or not ..its ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR ALLAH HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE KILLS!!!
ok, wasn't shouting, only emphasizing a similar point as to when you say " can the koooran be any clearer than that"?????

dude, forget about apostasy, your fellow brethren were ready to murder (kill) simply for some silly cartoons...check out the news, some guys have been arrested for soliciting murder......can it be more clearer than that????

the utterly stupid paradigm shifter.......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
 
Reply With Quote
(#8 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 03-31-2006, 07:58 PM

satjas,
>>The verse you just quoted is not dealing with
>>apostasy but with a certain war. Read the verse again,
>>sloooooowly
>
>you know what Coach, it doesn't blooming matter whether it
>regards apostasy or not ..its ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOUR ALLAH
>HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE KILLS!!!
>ok, wasn't shouting, only emphasizing a similar point as to
>when you say " can the koooran be any clearer than that"?????

God gives life and God takes life, didn't you know that? When the cells in your body degenerate, your spirit is no longer able to stay in its vessel and it eventually leaves and goes back to God. When someone is killed in a car-crash and the body cannot sustain the spirit, it also leaves this earthly life to be reunited with God. So God does kill and God does give life, earthly life that is!


>dude, forget about apostasy, your fellow brethren were ready
>to murder (kill) simply for some silly cartoons...check out
>the news, some guys have been arrested for soliciting
>murder......can it be more clearer than that????


Alas, I thought you were adressing the issue at hand and not fishing out for another argument. You should have informed me since your response seemed so incoherent with my question.

You are consistently illogical for someone who is constantly trying to appeal to people's logic! If parents raise their children well and teach them right from wrong, and then some of these children choose to go against the teachings of their parents, do you still blame the parents?

Cartoon issue again? Didn't you see the verse...

"Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind." (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

Do you believe their actions are legitimised by Islam? Please show me where it says kill whomsoever annoys or offends your Prophet. The Prophet went through a lot of humiliation in the hands of polytheists, but he was nothing but kind to them. He was spat at, pelted with stones, thorns put on his path as he went for the dawn prayers, threatenned, mocked etc.


You are being illogical in constantly blaming Islam for the actions of Muslims. Your problem is with Islam and you therefore use the actions of all the extremists as arsenal to support your arguments.
 
Reply With Quote
(#9 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
satjas
 
Posts: 588
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: .
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 04-01-2006, 03:15 AM

Hey coach

>God gives life and God takes life, didn't you know that?

hmm....no i didn't know that, silly me.

>When
>the cells in your body degenerate, your spirit is no longer
>able to stay in its vessel and it eventually leaves and goes
>back to God.

hey how about the judgement? what happened to that? is this like reincarnation, kind of??

>When someone is killed in a car-crash and the
>body cannot sustain the spirit, it also leaves this earthly
>life to be reunited with God. So God does kill and God does
>give life, earthly life that is!

so if i am driving my car and knock into somebody else i can claim that the person died in a car crash in which God was a participant, and in fact that it was God who killed that person and not my reckless driving. COOL, i am beginning to like islam!!!!!!

>Alas, I thought you were adressing the issue at hand and not
>fishing out for another argument. You should have informed me
>since your response seemed so incoherent with my question.

it will seem incoherent to you because there are TOO Many issues with islam and covering all of them is very difficult for you. What is more they are all interrelated.....now some guy in india was told he must divorce his wife because he said talak 3 times in his sleep....i mean HOW STUPID can one be???? This ideology defies all logic.

>You are consistently illogical for someone who is constantly
>trying to appeal to people's logic!

Coach, i think perhaps that is what you are trying so very hard with your Mr. I LOOk GooD And POlite talks. I do not need to appeal to anyone's logic. I have no need to uphold the truth when the truth stands out for itself. I HAVE ALWAYS GOT ALL QUOTES FROM YOUR KOOOORAN AND YOU CANNOT STAND THIS!!!!!!!!! That is why is seems illogical to you since you cannot understand why i can't see it from your perspective.

> If parents raise their
>children well and teach them right from wrong, and then some
>of these children choose to go against the teachings of their
>parents, do you still blame the parents?

Think carefully, if the parents taught them well and the children understood what was taught then they would not go against those teachings. The fact that they do simply means that they did not understand in the first place. So both parties have an equal role to play. But what do i know, i am illogical!!!???!!?


>Cartoon issue again? Didn't you see the verse...
>
>"Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or
>of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the
>whole of mankind." (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

It is now becoming a joke that you come up with a verse from the koooooran and when i bring up another one liner from the same kooooran you object and say i am illogical.

16:106 Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them.

16:107 That is because they have chosen the life of the world rather than the Hereafter, and because Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.

>Do you believe their actions are legitimised by Islam? Please
>show me where it says kill whomsoever annoys or offends your
>Prophet.

25:36 Then We said: Go together unto the folk who have denied Our revelations. Then We destroyed them, a complete destruction. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed.
25:37 And Noah's folk, when they denied the messengers, We drowned them and made of them a portent for mankind. We have prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers

>The Prophet went through a lot of humiliation in the
>hands of polytheists, but he was nothing but kind to them. He
>was spat at, pelted with stones, thorns put on his path as he
>went for the dawn prayers, threatenned, mocked etc.

yes plus he slept with a little child, a woman whose husband he had just killed, wiped out complete tribes after looting them and using their women as sex slaves and alot of other historical evidence (google it yourself like you tell me to) prooves all this.


>You are being illogical in constantly blaming Islam for the
>actions of Muslims. Your problem is with Islam and you
>therefore use the actions of all the extremists as arsenal to
>support your arguments.

if you guys know who these extremists are in your midst why don't you try and conbtrol them and educate them first before coming to tell us what to do? I have no problems with muslims, i have many muslim friends. I also know that almost 99% of them do not do what is required of them by islam, but they have no choice in a cult that would not hesitate to kill them if they became apostates. The house of cards will come crumbling down, the world is waking up to a new menace of terrorism which seems to stem from religious notions. That is something i will not want the future generations to suffer from. I will do all I can to let others see from a different perspective what these dogmas are hellbent on doing. You are caught in an ideology you have no idea about. It does not matter what quotes or in depth material you come out with, the bottom line is that people are dying because of narcissistic cults. You cannot see that because you are so warped up in the goodness of your ideology. You dare not hear what atrocities have been committed by people in the name of the same allah that you believe in. It is like a nightmare you want to go away. So you blame others all the time, you claim islamophobia, you think others have not understood what you know, you think you are the sole representative of islam on this message board. I don't blame you, its the side effects of attending too many madarasa classes. You cannot see that,... I can.

Despite the fact that a major national and international news agencies have reported the Rahman Abdul apostacy case you still went ahead to try and proove that this kind of thing does not happen. It's almost like slapping millions of afghanis in their face,your fellow muslim brothers and sisters, as if they have no clue what they are talking about when they demand the guys blood. DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE??????? so if you are right and they are wrong, what part of the koooooran are they reading that you are not or vice versa, because they too claim it's a kooranic decree????????

Coach in this age of information do not be surprised if your children see the light and turn away from your beliefs. People have many questions that religions cannot satisfy. Your religion ahs the most descrepancies and hence uses violence and fear to intimidate people and control them. I feel sorry for you sometimes as a human being because you can see but are still very ignorant.

I have no problem in you thinking whatever you want of me. If these forums could last for years you will realize what i meant. At the moment you are not ready, so like the bluefly we leave you where you like most. I may not believe in what you do, but i sure as hell know it will not take you anywhere.

-the paradigm shifter...........God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
 
Reply With Quote
(#10 (permalink))
Old
Senior Member
Coach
 
Posts: 524
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London, UK.
Report Post
Default RE: Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law? - 04-03-2006, 07:01 PM

satjak,

>>When
>>the cells in your body degenerate, your spirit is no longer
>>able to stay in its vessel and it eventually leaves and goes
>>back to God.
>
>hey how about the judgement? what happened to that? is this
>like reincarnation, kind of??

You were made from a union of the sperm and egg, do you think it is impossible for God to recreate you on the Day of Reckonning?



>>When someone is killed in a car-crash and the
>>body cannot sustain the spirit, it also leaves this earthly
>>life to be reunited with God. So God does kill and God does
>>give life, earthly life that is!
>
>so if i am driving my car and knock into somebody else i can
>claim that the person died in a car crash in which God was a
>participant, and in fact that it was God who killed that
>person and not my reckless driving. COOL, i am beginning to
>like islam!!!!!!

God gives life and takes life and although you were involved in ending that particular persons life doesn't mean you are free from blame. The body is where the soul resides and for the soul to function in a body it needs to function minimally. If the corporeal ceases to be bale to sustain the soul the spirit eventually leaves the body and goes to its maker.



>>Alas, I thought you were adressing the issue at hand and not
>>fishing out for another argument. You should have informed
>me
>>since your response seemed so incoherent with my question.
>
>it will seem incoherent to you because there are TOO Many
>issues with islam and covering all of them is very difficult
>for you. What is more they are all interrelated.....now some
>guy in india was told he must divorce his wife because he