[Mbajuni]

Does anyone know the history of Jesus during childhood other than being born of a virgin??

[TeamManager]

>Does anyone know the history of Jesus during childhood other
>than being born of a virgin??

hope I am not mis-understanding your question ....... I would suggest that you take 10 minutes and read Luke 2 as a summary of the birth to youth story.

Luke 2
The Birth of Jesus
1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2(This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3And everyone went to his own town to register.
4So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

The Shepherds and the Angels
8And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ[a] the Lord. 12This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."
13Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests."

15When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about."

16So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

Jesus Presented in the Temple
21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
22When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord"[b]), 24and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: "a pair of doves or two young pigeons."[c]

25Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:
29"Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.
30For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
32a light for revelation to the Gentiles
and for glory to your people Israel."

33The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him. 34Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: "This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too."

36There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, 37and then was a widow until she was eighty-four.[e] She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. 38Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem.

39When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth. 40And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.

The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. 42When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. 43After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."
49"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" 50But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

51Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

[satjas]

Hey TM,

you know why i call most christians hypocrites? because they would like to post long stuff and expect others to read it yet will not read what others have written. You categorically told Coach you would not be reading his posts on the kooran yet you have quoted the bible and expect others to read it. Please lead by example, you may not set the right example for your future generations. At least be courteous enough to read their posts too...turn the other cheek eh?

Remember Coach has just as much faith in his kooran as you have in your bible. I think Mbajuni may have opened a pandoras box because by asking this question we might in all due fairness also ask about MooHamMad's childhood..........wasn't this part of what the book by salman rushdie was all about? "the satanic verses"??? Have you read it Mbajuni??

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[TeamManager]

>Hey TM,

Hey Satjas

>you know why i call most christians hypocrites? because they
>would like to post long stuff and expect others to read it yet
>will not read what others have written.

1. Mbajuni asked a simple question (I think!) concerning information about Jesus' childhood. I though reading it from Luke 2 will be the most appropriate for her.

2. Personally I never write beyond 10 setences in mashada ......OK, I usually never read beyond 10 setences. Its a democratic website! Free choice.


>You categorically told Coach you would not be reading his posts on
>the kooran yet you have quoted the bible and expect others to read
>it.

1. my comment was written in reference to his his threat to write "100 posts"

2. I asked him for a 'nice' link and he already passed it along.


>Remember Coach has just as much faith in his kooran as you
>have in your bible. I think Mbajuni may have opened a pandoras
>box because by asking this question we might in all due
>fairness also ask about MooHamMad's childhood..........wasn't
>this part of what the book by salman rushdie was all about?
>"the satanic verses"??? Have you read it Mbajuni??
it.

I never thought her question had an ulterior motive .......

[safina]

@ Mbajuni

number one thing you need to know is the Holy bible ONLY talks of Jesus Christ,the baby then as an old man.The bible skips skips his entire year from,childhood to transition.I don't know the reasons to this,maybe TM can enlighten us here.
If you read the book of Thomas(this book was not included in the bible),you will learn more stories about jesus.For example,Jesus used to make bird models from clay,threw them up and they become true birds that fly in the sky.Also is this other story where Jesus slept in this little boy's house.He was spoted next day,wearing that boys garment basking.some folks believe he was fliping this boy.I really don't agree with them,coz majority of them are from the western hemisphere.And remember the bible was written with the eastern way of thinking.also,we are also witnesses in this situation,rememmber back at home when a stranger/visitor/relative came to your house.we always went as far as sleeping with them in the same bed(could not even think about fliping them).Come next day,we offerred them something to wear.I hope you got ma drift

[ATLian]

TM,

your long post doesn't answer Mbajuni's question at all. It mentions Jesus got circumcized at 8 days old, then Jesus getting lost for a day at 12 years old - period. We know nothing else about what he was doing at that time, and Luke doesn't elaborate. It's like me telling you I was baptized at 3 months old, and I once got lost for a day when I was 12. How does that tell you about my youth?



> 49"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know
>I had to be in my Father's house?" 50But they did not
>understand what he was saying to them.

Before Jesus was born, an angel came to Joseph and told him his wife would get pregnant through god's grace. Mary then got pregnant as a virgin. They both knew it was because of god, and they both knew Jesus was god's son. So it doesn't make sense that they didn't understand what Jesus meant when he called the temple (god's house) "my father's house"...

[reggie_woic]

The bible couldn't possibly have covered everything about Jesus' childhood, and i don't think there's another reliable source to get this info from.

(assuming you've watched the Omen movies) just remember Damien(The antichrist child) and his childhood....now imagine Jesus doing the exact opposite of what Damien was doing.

http://www.bozzysworld.com/images/stewie.jpg

[satjas]

Hey reggie

did you know that if you were to quote all what jesus said as per what is in the bible you'd be done in 2hrs, word for word???

hence , jesus's bible shelf life is only 2hrs.

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[TeamManager]

Is there any student of ancient history in the house? Even as per secular history, please tell us how Biographies were then written.

[Mbajuni]

> I think Mbajuni may have opened a pandoras
>box because by asking this question we might in all due
>fairness also ask about MooHamMad's childhood..........wasn't
>this part of what the book by salman rushdie was all about?
>"the satanic verses"??? Have you read it Mbajuni??
>

That goes to show how much you know me satjas...Unlike you..I am straight up with no ulterior motives. I believe in Jesus as my prophet and am as curious about his background as I am about Noah, Jacob, David etc particularly because their childhood is not highlighted in the Quran in detail...THAT is exactly why I asked about Jesus, to see if I could fill in some gaps on his life too. I don't need to ask a question with a motive that people will ask about Muhammed (PBUH). There was documentation of the whole of the prophet Muhammed's life (PBUH) by historians, if someone is really interested, they can go on google. They surely don't need to ask me back anyway...so why should I be dumb enough to expect that??? Unless people are behind in this age of technology and search engines.

So keep your assumptions to yourself please and stop spreading your hate wherever you go. Muslims and Christians don't have to hate each other but when third parties step in who don't belong to either two groups (or worse yet hate them both) and start rumourmongering and spreading maliciousness as you have done continously. The problem then begins.


TM...Thanks for the prompt post. It's all coming back to me now. I remember hearing about Jesus being lost as a child etc. The circumsission thing I guess makes sense since he was born jewish. But like Safina said, I was also asking about the rest of the life e.g. teenagehood, where they lived for how long etc.