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Default Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 12:09 AM

Though you may have known this, an Afghan who converted to Christian
faith is now on trial. Let's keep praying!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4823874.stm

Afghanistan's post-Taleban constitution is based on Sharia law, and prosecutors in the case says this means Abdul Rahman, whose trial began last Thursday, should be put to death.

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The trial judge holds the bible he says belonged to the accused

TOLERANCE???
"We will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance. We will ask him if he has changed his mind. If so we will forgive him," the judge told the BBC on Monday. But if he refused to reconvert, then his mental state would be considered first before he was dealt with under Sharia law, the judge added.


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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 01:09 AM

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gWe will invite him again because the religion of Islam is one of tolerance.h

Afghan on trial for Christianity
An Afghan man is being tried in a court in the capital, Kabul, for converting from Islam to Christianity.

Abdul Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and could face the death sentence under Sharia law unless he recants.
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Afghanistan says court to decide fate of convert (Reuters)
Reuters - Under mounting international pressure over the case of a man facing the death penalty for converting to Christianity, Afghanistan said on Wednesday its judiciary alone would decide the case.

Bush concerned about jailed Afghan Christian
President Bush on Wednesday defended an Afghan Christian who is on trial for rejecting Islam and who could eventually face the death penalty. "It is deeply troubling that a country we helped liberate would hold a person to account because they chose a particular religion over another," Bush said.


"Islamic Advocacy Group Silent on Afghan Apostasy Trial," from CNSNews, with thanks to Olivia:

(CNSNews.com) - What does the Council on American-Islamic Relations have to say about the trial of an Afghan Muslim who may get the death penalty for converting to Christianity? Nothing so far, noted a conservative, pro-family group.
"Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations so far has been silent," the Family Research Council said in an email message on Tuesday.

 
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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 01:37 AM

What a shame...what a shame...I am suprised how these people even call themselves Muslim when one of the most known chapters in the Quran clearly outlines that we should leave all to worship what they will...

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

(109.1) Say: O unbelievers!
(109.2) I do not serve that which you serve,
(109.3) Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
(109.4) Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
(109.5) Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
(109.6) You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

A muslim born covert is said to be killed according to sharia law but not Islam...Sharia law is a man-mae law and not a direct derivative of the Quran...THIS we see here is NOT the Quran, it is NOT Islam as a religion of God but inteprations of a society governed by man that has a mandate of it's own. Not one verse that I know and have ever heard of in the Quran calls for this behaviour. I am appalled!!

 
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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 03:58 AM

Hey Mbajuni,

>A muslim born covert is said to be killed according to sharia
>law but not Islam...Sharia law is a man-mae law and not a
>direct derivative of the Quran...

Are you categorically saying that the sharia law is not islamic law? Be careful in your reply as you may jeopardize your status as a noble muslim. Isn't it always very convinient for muslims to deny certain things and then quote from the kooran......yet when i quote from the very same kooran then you claim i have not understood or i am reading out of context????

>THIS we see here is NOT the
>Quran, it is NOT Islam as a religion of God but inteprations
>of a society governed by man that has a mandate of it's own.
>Not one verse that I know and have ever heard of in the Quran
>calls for this behaviour. I am appalled!!

that is why you ought to read your kooran very carefully and in depth like i have.

but since you have never heard i thought i'd remind you, i'm sorry it's long, but then so is the kooran.Read on.....



2: The Cow

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
Allah turned Sabbath breakers into apes. 2:65-66
Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88
The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. 2:96
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
"Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159
Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254
Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
3: The Family of 'Imran

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196
4: The Women

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14
For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 4:18
For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37
Allah has cursed them for their disbelief. 4:46
Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116
Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50
Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51
"Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52
Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56
Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60
Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61
Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63
The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92
Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102
Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115
They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117
Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137
Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140
Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144
The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169
5: The Table Spread

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10
Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13
Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14
Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36
Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37
Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38
Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41
Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51
Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53
Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57
Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59
Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63
Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73
Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86
6: The Cattle

Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49
Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68
Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93
Stay away from idolaters. 6:106
Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110
Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111
Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113
7: The Heights

Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9
Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27
Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30
Only believers go to heaven. 7:32
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36
Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41
Disbelievers are liars. 7:66
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
8: Spoils of War

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67
Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73
9: Repentance

"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6
Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9
Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17
Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23
Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26
Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28
Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30
The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33
Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34
Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37
Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42
Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49
Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60
Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63
Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74
God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80
Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83
Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84
Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85
For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98, 101
Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107
Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113
Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125
Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127
10: Jonah

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4
Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 10:7-8
Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13
Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17
Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70
Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73
Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88
11: Hud

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 11:17
Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19
Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
13: The Thunder

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 13:33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
14: Abraham

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
15: Al-Hijr

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
16: The Bee

Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 16:22
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
17: The Children of Israel

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8
Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10
Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16
How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17
Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18
Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46
Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98
18: The Cave

He maketh none to share in His government."
Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26
Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29
The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57
On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100
Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102
The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105
Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106
19: Mary

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70
Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79
Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83
20: Ta Ha

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127
21: The Prophets

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6
Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40
The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99
22: The Pilgrimage

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15
Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22
Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25
Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72
23: The Believers

Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77
Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117
24: Light

Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55
Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57
The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62
25: Criterion

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13
It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37
Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52
26: The Poets

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201
Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224
27: The Ant

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5
But he "saved those who believed." 27:53
28: The Story

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64
Never help disbelievers. 28:86
29: The Spider

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23
Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52
The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68
30: The Romans

When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16
Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45
Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59
31: Luqman

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7
Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24
32: The Prostration

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13
Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14
Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
33: The Clans

Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1
Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19
Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26
Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48
Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65
The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68
34: Saba

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5
Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8
Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
35: The Angels

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7
Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26
Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7
He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39
36: Ya Sin

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10
Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4
37: Those Who Set the Ranks

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38
Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82
Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136
No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3
38: Sad

Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2
Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3
Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8
Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14
Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26
Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27
39: The Troops

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8
Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32
Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60
Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63
Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65
Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72
40: The Believer

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6
Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10
Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22
Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50
Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60
Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63
Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72
Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73
Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74
Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76
When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85
41: Fusilat

Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6
The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20
Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28
Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50
42: Counsel

In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah."
Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10
Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16
43: Ornaments of God

"But they will come to know."
Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89
44: Smoke

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16
45: Crouching

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8
Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 45:9-10
Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 45:11
Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31
46: The Wind-Curved Sandals

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20
Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34
47: Muhammad

Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1
Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3
Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4
Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9
Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12
Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26
Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27
Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32
Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35
48: Victory

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6
Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13
If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16-17
Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25
Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29
51: The Winnowing Winds

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14
Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60
52: The Mount

Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16
Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42
53: The Star

Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27
Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29
Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29
54: The Moon

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34
55: The Beneficent

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44
56: The Event

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54
Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94
57: Iron

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15
Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19
58: She That Disputeth

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4
For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5
Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15
Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17
Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22
59: Exile

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3
The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11
The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13
The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17
The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20
60: She That is to be Examined

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1
Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9
Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13
61: The Ranks

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7
Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9
62: The Congregration

A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5
63: The Hypocrites

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3
Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4
Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6
64: Mutual Disillusion

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5
Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10
66: Banning

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9
67: The Sovereignty

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7
Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28
68: The Pen

Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9
Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16
"Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35
69: The Reality

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35
70: The Ascending Stairways

Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30
Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44
71: Noah

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26
72: The Jinn

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23
73: The Enshrouded One

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13
74: The Cloaked One

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10
Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17
Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31
75: The Rising of the Dead

Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29
76: "Time" or "Man"

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4
Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24
77: The Emissaries

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49
79: "Those Who Drag Forth"

Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39
80: "He Frowned"

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42
83: The Defrauding

Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17
The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36
84: The Sundering

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24
85: The Mansions of the Stars

Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10
86: The Morning Star

Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16
"Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17
88: The Overwhelming

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24
89: The Dawn

Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13
90: The City

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20
92: The Night

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16
95: The Fig

Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6
96: The Clot

Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18
98: The Clear Proof

Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6
107: Small Kindnesses

Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3
113: The Daybreak

Witchcraft is evil. 113:4

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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 09:09 AM

Mbajuni,
I've shed some light on this issue but sajtas AS USUAL comes back later with the same arguments and blames Islam for the actions of some of its followers. Here is the article I posted to help illuminate this matter further...


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Is Killing An Apostate in the Islamic Law?



by Ibrahim B. Syed, Ph. D.
President
Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
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Ridda or Irtidãd: Literally means "turning back". The act of apostasy -- leaving Islam for another religion or for a secular lifestyle.
Murtadd: Literally means "one who turns the back." An apostate.
Murtad Fitri: Literally means apostate - natural. A person born of a Muslim parent who later rejects Islam.
Murtad Milli: Literally means apostate - from the community. A person who converted to Islam and later rejected the religion.
Due lack of education and critical thinking several myths have taken root in the Muslim world over the ages, and there have not been any efforts in the past to clear these doubts. On the contrary, there has been a sort of effort to strengthen these myths and misconceptions. These misinterpretations of Islamic teachings have taken their toll on the Muslim world and have strengthened a misplaced perception that Islam is a symbol of obscurantism, a religion of intolerance and answers everything with the sword.

And there is no bigger misconception-strengthened with misunderstanding of Islamic beliefs over the years-other than the belief that Islam doesn't tolerate apostasy. The Christian missionaries and the Western world are cashing in on it. Ulama have tried to strengthen their point of view and several leading Muslim reformists have failed to tackle the issue. This misconception has also presented Islam as a medieval and killer religion. Islam bashers have time and again tried to carry the point by pointing out that Islam orders the killing of a person if he or she reverts to another religion from Islam.

No body is forthcoming to challenge this widely held belief as well as put forth a convincing argument about the misinterpretation of Qur'anic teachings by Ulama.

The Qur’an is completely silent on any worldly punishment for apostasy and the sole Tradition that forms the basis of rulings is open to many interpretations.
Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: ‘Whosoever changes his religion, Kill Him (man baddala Dinahu faqtuluhu)’”. It is this last quote from the Prophet that forms the basis of the said ruling.
While jurists are agreed on the authenticity of this tradition, they differ very widely on the appropriate interpretation and thus, the law concerning apostasy. Understanding the different viewpoints, and arriving at the truth is crucial to our discussion of this subject.



This tradition does not refer to Muslims who leave the religion of Islam for other religions. Finally, there is the crucial dispute over the nature of the punishment and the crime. Al-Nakha’ee and, according to Sha’rani, al-Thawri, hold that the apostate is a grave sinner who should however be continuously called back to the fold for the rest of his life, and not killed. By implication, they do not consider the offence a hadd (fixed penalty) offence with a fixed punishment that must be carried out. This view is similar to the view that apostasy is a sin that carries no fixed punishment, and any penalty for it is discretionary (ta’zeer). This is a view held by the Hanbali scholar, Ibn Taimiya and he attributes it as well to the Maliki Imam al-Baji. Among Hanafites, the jurist Shamsuddeen al-Sarakhshi holds the same view. He says in al Mabsut that the fixed penalties or hudud are generally not suspended because of repentance, especially when they are reported and become known to the Imam. He then adds in the case of apostasy “renunciation of the faith and conversion to disbelief is admittedly the greatest of offences, yet it is a matter between man and his Creator, and its punishment is postponed to the day of Judgement. (“fa’l jaza’ ‘alayha mu’akhkhar ila dar al-jaza”).



If repentance is accepted, then apostasy is not a hadd offence with a fixed punishment. Secondly, once scholars accept that a Muslim apostate has the right to be given the opportunity to repent, they lose the right to set a time limit for his repentance.



Allah (SWT) says in the Glorious Qur’an (39: 53-54: Say: “ O you servants of Mine who have transgressed against your own selves! Despair not of God’s mercy. Behold God forgives all sins, for verily He is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace! Hence, turn toward your sustainer and surrender yourselves unto him before the suffering (of death and resurrection) comes upon you for then you will not be succored.”



Any scholar who says the death sentence applies to leaving the faith, then the convict is to be given a life-time to repent, and this is the view of Sufyan al-Thawri, Ibrahim al-Nakha’ee, Shamsuddeen al-Sarakhshi, Imam al-Baji and, by strong implication, Ahmad Ibn Taimiya. One must conclude that the death sentence is not for “simple apostasy” (mujarrad al-ridda), but for apostasy accompanied by treason and sedition, or by the abuse and slander (sabb) of the Noble Prophet.

Freedom to convert to or from Islam
"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance." Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Glorious Qur'an says, "Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Surely the Right Path is clearly distinct from the crooked path." Al Baqarah, 2:256.
"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." Surah An-Nisa', 4:137.
For example, the Qur'an says: "Let him who wishes to believe, do so; and let him who wishes to disbelieve, do so." (Al-Kahf: 29)

In another verse, Allah Almighty says: "Yours is only the duty to convey the message; you are not a guardian over them." (Al-Ghashiyah: 21- 22)

The quotation from Surah An-Nisa', 4:137, shown above, seems to imply that multiple, sequential apostasies are possible. That would not be possible if the person were executed after the first apostasy.

From the above verses it can be argued that religious freedom and the absence of compulsion in religion requires that individuals be allowed adopt a religion or to convert to another religion without legal penalty.

Hence the death penalty is not an appropriate response to apostasy.

The former Chief Justice of Pakistan, SA Rahman, has written that there is no reference to the death penalty in any of the 20 instances of apostasy mentioned in the Qur'an.

Muslims who support the death penalty for apostasy use as their foundation the above cited hadith, in which the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: "Kill whoever changes his religion." But this is a weak foundation because this hadith was only transmitted from Muhammad (pbuh) by one individual. It was not confirmed by a second person. According to Islamic law, this is insufficient confirmation to impose the death penalty. The Shari`ah has not fixed any punishment for apostasy.



The hadith is so generally worded that it would require the death penalty for a Christian or Jew who converted to Islam. This is obviously not the prophet's intent. The hadith is in need of further specification, which has not been documented. Many scholars interpret this passage as referring only to instances of high treason. (e.g. declaring war on Islam, Muhammad (pbuh), God, etc.).

There is no historical record, which indicates that Muhammad (pbuh) or any of his companions ever sentenced anyone to death for apostasy.

The issue of killing a murtad or the apostate is not a simple one. Scholars have debated it from various angles and it is not simply an issue of killing someone for choosing one religion or another.

The question of apostasy has been debated among scholars based on their interpretations of some hadiths since the Qur'an does not specify any worldly punishment for it. For example, there was a case at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) where a man came to him in three consecutive days and told him that he wanted to apostate. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never took any action against him, and when the man finally left Madina, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never sent anyone to arrest him, let alone kill him.

This is why some scholars distinguished between individual apostasy and apostasy which is accompanied by high treason. So, it cannot be confused with the freedom of conscience for every individual, which has been guaranteed in the Qur'an through hundreds of verses.

For example, one version of a hadith narrated by `A'isha (RA) concerning apostasy relates to one who left his religion and fought against Muslims.

QUR'ANIC VIEWS

The Qur’an has referred to the issue of apostasy at more than one place (for example see Al-Baqarah 2: 217, Al-Baqarah 2: 108, A’l Imra’n 3: 90, Al-Nisa’ 4: 137 and Al-Nahl 16: 106). But at none of these places does the Qur’an mention the punishment of death for such people who change their religion. The Qur’an does mention that such people shall face a terrible punishment in the hereafter but no worldly punishment is mentioned at any of these instances in the Qur’an. This situation obviously raises a question mark in the mind of the reader that if Allah had wanted to give the punishment of an apostate a permanent position in the Shari`ah, the punishment should have been mentioned, at least at one of the above mentioned places. If the Qur’an had kept completely silent about the apostate, the matter would have been different. But the strange thing is that the Qur’an mentions apostasy, and still does not mention the punishment (if any) it wants the apostate to be subjected to.

Furthermore, the Qur’an has strictly disallowed the imposition of the death penalty except in two specific cases. One of them is where the person is guilty of murdering another person and the other is where a person is guilty of creating unrest in the country (fasa’d fil-ardh) like being involved in activities that create unrest in a society, for example activities like terrorism etc. The Qur’an says:

Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind. (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

Obviously, apostasy can neither be termed as "murder" nor "creating unrest in the land".

Thus, in view of the above facts, we are left with one option only. We can only say that either the saying has been wrongly ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh), as it is clearly contradictory to the Qur’an and the Prophet could not have said anything contradictory to the Qur’an, or that the saying ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) relates not to all apostates but to a particular and specific people.

Shaykh Subhani

Shaykh Inayatullah Subhani (author of the Book Apostasy doesn't carry death penalty in Islam) says that neither Islam forces any person to embrace neither Islam nor it forces him to remain within its fold. He writes, "Apostasy has been mentioned several times in Qur'an. It also describes the bad treatment that will be meted out for committing apostasy, but it never talks of punishment for the crime in this world." The learned scholar mentions three Ayaat (verses) from Qur'an on apostasy (Al-Baqara 217, Muhammad 25-27 and Al-Maida 54) and then says that none of these Ayaat prescribes any punishment for that though these Ayaat pass strictures on the people who commit it. There are several other Ayaat on the same issue and none of them prescribes either death penalty or any other punishment for apostasy in this world. He then adds that had there been some punishment in Islam for apostasy there was no reason as to why the issue was mentioned repeatedly in Qur'an but no punishment was prescribed.

Misinterpretation of the hadith, Man baddala Dinahu faqtuluh (kill him who changes his religion) has caused the problem. This order has been made to look general and permanent, though it was said in a particular circumstance for a particular group. Shaykh Subhani writes that this order was made to counter a scheme prepared by Jews of Madinah. They had planned that some of them embrace Islam for some time and then return to their old religion. Then some other people do the same. It was aimed to create restlessness among Muslims against their own leadership so that the strong Muslim unity should start crumbling. It was made clear in Qur'an in (Aal Imran, 3: 72-73).

To counter this planning the Prophet (SAW) ordered his companions to act in such a manner. Despite this order lengthy investigations were made to ascertain that the case was true and the person concerned was given adequate time to explain before the punishment was carried out.

Shaykh Subhani says lack of clear grasp of Qur'an misguided even leading Ulama. Otherwise it was not difficult to understand the hadith. Qur'anic teachings on the issue were not kept in mind.

He emphasizes that people who were awarded death penalty for reverting to other religions from Islam during the time of the Prophet (SAW) or during the reign of his caliphs were not given the punishment for the crime of apostasy but for the fact that they were at war with Muslims and Islamic government.

Shaykh Subhani regrets that punishment that was prescribed for certain people under special circumstances was made to look like a general order. He says that it was the order for people who posed threat to Islamic state and became at war with Islam and not for any person who reverts to other religion.

A number of Islamic scholars from past centuries, Ibrahim al-Naka'I, Sufyan al-Thawri, Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi, Abul Walid al-Baji and Ibn Taymiyyah, have all held that apostasy is a serious sin, but not one that requires the death penalty. In modern times, Mahmud Shaltut, Sheikh of al-Azhar, and Dr Mohammed Sayed Tantawi have concurred.

In conclusion, we must never confuse the issue of killing a murtad with the freedom of conscience guaranteed in the Glorious Qur'an. For a detailed discussion, one should read (1) the Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi's book on this issue: Jareemat ar-riddah wal murtadd (The Crime of Apostasy and Apostate) - published by Ar-Risalah foundation.


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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 06:02 PM

Hey Coach

>Mbajuni,
>I've shed some light on this issue but sajtas AS USUAL comes
>back later with the same arguments and blames Islam for the
>actions of some of its followers.

why do i feel being picked on?? By all means pick on my ideologies, my views, just like i do on islam.....isn't it good to question why????


But who are these "some" cos we seem to have them cropping up everywhere all the time. Why doesn't this small " some" number not made to understand that they are not doing anyone any justice? aren't these small numbers only doing what is decreed by the kooran???

I also hope that you two are aware (Coach and Mbajuni) that by stating these people are not following the right islamic teachings you have made the thousands of 'intellectuals' in Saudi Arabia, malaysia, indonesia, the whole of the middle-east (except israel) and some african countries, including somalia look like they do not know what they are doing following the rules about apostasy i,e punishable by death.

man, the whole thing is just so messed up!!!!!!

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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-23-2006, 07:05 PM

Some clerics call for killing Afghan Christian

But four senior clerics interviewed by The Associated Press in their mosques in Kabul said Rahman deserved to be killed for his conversion. "He is not crazy. He went in front of the media and confessed to being a Christian," said Hamidullah, chief cleric at Haji Yacob Mosque.

"The government is scared of the international community. But the people will kill him if he is freed." "He is not mad. The government are playing games. The people will not be fooled," said Abdul Raoulf, cleric at Herati Mosque. "This is humiliating for Islam. ... Cut off his head." Raoulf is considered a moderate cleric in Afghanistan. He was jailed three times for criticizing the Taliban's policies before the hardline regime was ousted by U.S.-led forces in 2001.

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Abdul Rahman, on trial for converting
from Islam to Christianity, holds a
Bible inside a Kabul court.

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Default RE: Afghan on trial for Christianity - 03-24-2006, 03:19 AM

>Are you categorically saying that the sharia law is not
>islamic law? Be careful in your reply as you may jeopardize
>your status as a noble muslim.
>Isn't it always very convinient
>for muslims to deny certain things and then quote from the
>kooran......yet when i quote from the very same kooran then
>you claim i have not understood or i am reading out of
>context????

You don't have to follow sharia to be a Muslim by the way. So in no way am I jeopardizing my status as a "good" Muslim contrary to your belief. Only God is the best judge.

sharia law (with the small 's') is based on the Quran PLUS scholarly views. Not the other way round so obviously it doesn't take a 7 year old to know that the ADDITIONS from the scholars don't have to be part of the Quran.

sharia law is human + God's law. It is DERIVED from the Quran the same way the government in the US 50 years ago was DERIVED from biblical commandments. Can you get that drift??? Imagine a Venn Diagram with Sharia Law in one circle intersecting with the Quran. That means, all that is Sharia is not Quran. Am I typing to fast for you or do you get it now?


>that is why you ought to read your kooran very carefully and
>in depth like i have.
>
>but since you have never heard i thought i'd remind you, i'm
>sorry it's long, but then so is the kooran.Read on.....
>

Lol! perhaps YOU need to read it dear satjas. You have gone and wasted Mashada's poor webspace by pasting all those verses but you still didn't show me even ONE verse that says kill coverters.

YES Allah say HE will punish them...YES He said they are evil etc etc etc...but NEVER did He say kill them. So stop pretending like you know it all just cause you can use CTRL+V to paste those verses from the Quran.

Lol! You just made my day...CTRL+V (paste, paste paste)...saa hizi your fingers are tired ama??
 
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