[TeamManager]

>there is obviously something
>wrong with a religion, that can so easily and by so many be
>interpretated in such a violent light.

Just this month

March 27 (Compass) – A mob of some 200 Muslim vigilantes forced Christians in Bogor, West Java, to abandon their church service on Sunday, The Jakarta Post reported today. Islamic groups have attacked and forcibly closed at least 60 churches in West Java over the past two and a half years, citing a lack of permits.

March 22 (Compass) – Compass has confirmed the arrest of two other Afghan Christians. Another Afghan convert to Christianity was beaten severely outside his home by a group of six men, who finally knocked him unconscious with a hard blow to his temple. He woke up in the hospital two hours later.

March 21 (Compass) – A local council in West Java has warned several congregations in the Rancaekek Kencana housing complex in Bandung to abandon their gnomadich cell group system, which allows limited numbers of Christians to meet together in private homes.

March 16 (Compass) – A Turkish Muslim shouting insults against Christianity pulled a long butcher knife on two clergy and a group of teenagers last Saturday evening (March 11) at a Latin Catholic church in Mersin, threatening them and their families

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March 6 (Compass) – Before the recent eruption of anger over Danish cartoons of Muhammad, Muslim militants last Christmas Eve invaded the family home of a Christian student and assaulted her sister. Hannatu Haruna Alkali, who had been expelled from a university in Bauchi for allegedly blaspheming the prophet of Islam, said five extremists broke into the family home in Gombe town looking for her. Finding only her older sister, Jemima, at home, they beat and raped her after one persuaded the others not to kill her. It was the second time Muslim extremists had attacked the family in their home.

[ATLian]

TM,

maybe it's payback for the thousands of Muslims the Chritians killed during the Crusades. What went around has finally come back around, ama...

Question is, why isnt god defending his followers?

[TeamManager]

>maybe it's payback for the thousands of Muslims the Chritians
>killed during the Crusades. What went around has finally come
>back around, ama...

Check you history


>Question is, why isnt god defending his followers?

BTW, persecution was promised from the first day.

[ATLian]

>>maybe it's payback for the thousands of Muslims the Chritians
>>killed during the Crusades. What went around has finally come
>>back around, ama...
>
>Check you history

TM,

wacha the arrogance, why do you assume that I do not know what I am talking about? No religion has been responsible for as many deaths and suffering of non-believers than Christianity. Well, maybe apart from the Old Testament Jews, who perfected the art of genocide. It's interesting that those Jews and today's Christians believe in the same god.

Some of the biggest evils, like colonialism, slave trade, apartheid, mass murders, etc, were based on Christianity. Before you protest, just look at what the Christian crusaders did to Africa, SOuth America, Asia, etc.

Remember in the Bible when Noah got totally drunk and started dancing around naked? His son Ham, that father of Canaan, ACCIDENTALLY saw him naked, and he told his brothers Shem and Japheth. Shem and Japheth covered Noah up without seeing his nudity. When Noah sobered, instead of being ashamed of getting drunk and stripping and praying to god for forgiveness, he pulled the "reverse psychology" card and instead cursed his son for accidentally seeing him naked.

Genesis 9:24 - 27 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

As you guys may or may not know, blacks are (meant to be) descended from Ham. Not suprisingly, this curse has been the Biblical and godly justification of the suffering that the Christian whites unleashed on black Africans.

The Dutch Reformed Church, the church of founders of Apartheid, used this to prove that what they did to blacks under Apartheid was OK under god and sanctioned in the Bible. We were meant to serve them, we were not equal to them, and they had the verses to prove it. You know it's almost impossible to show a man he is doing wrong if he can quote his justification from his holy book and his deity!

Colonialism was done under the pretext of spreading Christianity to the savage Africans. Slavery was also OK because of the curse "a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." Plus even if there was no curse to justify their enslavement of Africans, they could still fall back on the fact that god is 100% okay with slavery, as long as you treat the slaves within the laws he lays out in the Bible!

So TM, I do know my history quite well. Maybe you need to read yours from a non-Christian source!

[reggie_woic]

"....maybe you need to read yours from a non christian source..."

To TM, All Christians and Other interested people:
Did you know that:
-the declaration that Jesus was God was made in 325 AD by the Council of Nicea. It was not a concept that was taught by his disciples after his death

Just visit:
http://www.joy2meu.com/Jesus.html

I didn't stutter now, did I?

[ATLian]

>To TM, All Christians and Other interested people:
>Did you know that:
>-the declaration that Jesus was God was made in 325 AD by the
>Council of Nicea. It was not a concept that was taught by his
>disciples after his death

I've read that. Many of the things that are now part of Christianity were created way after Christ died. The original Bible had more than 66 Books. Later on the ones that hinted to things that the Christian founders did not agree with were removed. e.g. that's why no book details Jesus being married and having a kid, while it was in the first Bibles. etc

[HIM]

ATLian,

I really like your arguements.

One question that has really bothered me every time I read the old testament is: Why was the God of the old so vindictive and violent? And why did He change to become the loving God we are told in the New Testament? Or He has mellowed with age..lol?

[reggie_woic]

God has never and will never change, that goes without saying.
So this more or less proves that there was a mistake somewhere. Since we all know it wasn't God, the only thing we can conclude it that THE BIBLE HAS BEEN, like i said earlier, MISTRANSLATED over the years.

I definitely didn't stutter, did I?

[satjas]

Hey reggie

> Since we all know it wasn't God, the only thing we
>can conclude it that THE BIBLE HAS BEEN, like i said earlier,
>MISTRANSLATED over the years.

The bible was/is/will never be an authority on God . It was/is/will never be the exact true words of jesus since he wasn't the author . The bible was/is /will always hold true for those who follow it blindly i.e. TM and Co. including Coach..dare he claim otherwise!!!!

The Bible was/is/will simply be a rough historical reference book, nothing else. The Bible has, Yes it has, inspired me to search for higher truths which itself did not contain.

The bible composes half of the kooran almost word for word , though the followers of the latter will always deny it.

The bible should be analysed and all passages pertaining to mediocrity revised and possibly erased i.e. the bible should go for confession to be cleansed and start anew.....surely that which proposes something should be ready to take that action too right?

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.