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Default RE: A prayer for tm - 03-22-2006, 08:44 PM

>Hey TM
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>I'm just curious to know whether i am TOM or JERRY?

Jerry! Aha!

@ATLian/Death

1. Comment was with reference to "100 articles"

2. Unlike Atheist in mashada ....... elsewhere atheists dont run behind 'I dont have to prove my side' or 'I dont have explain my side' agruements..... they hold discussions by giving alternative explaination.
FOR EXAMPLE, if we were to discuss about CREATION ..... I have to try and explain how God fits into the picture and you have to explain how it all started by itself...... trying to pokie holes ONLY discussions are a BIG waste of TIME.

The basic principles of debate/discussion (ever since std4 .... 'Better to be a Doctor or a Teacher) ..... you have to give BOTH the pros and cons. Even if I show that a teacher has a difficult job......it does NOT prove that prove that its better to be a Doctor.

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Default RE: A prayer for tm - 03-23-2006, 04:11 AM

>@ATLian/Death
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>1. Comment was with reference to "100 articles"

TM, if you do actually read what we post, then I may be forced to take the other view - that you are slow! You leave me no choice, since I don't see how a person who isn't slow can keep questioning the same thing over and over despite being explained to a gabzillion times. Blind fanatical faith isn't a good thing, it makes you look the obvious in the eye and still have the balls to call it bullsh*t!



>2. Unlike Atheist in mashada ....... elsewhere atheists dont
>run behind 'I dont have to prove my side' or 'I dont have
>explain my side' agruements..... they hold discussions by
>giving alternative explaination.

Do you mind copying and pasting any of those "other" atheists alternative explanations. I'd be interested to see what they are.
From basic common sense, you don't have to give an alternative explanation to what you don't believe in. So I'd love to read what those atheists have to say.



>The basic principles of debate/discussion (ever since std4
>.... 'Better to be a Doctor or a Teacher) ..... you have to
>give BOTH the pros and cons. Even if I show that a teacher has
>a difficult job......it does NOT prove that prove that its
>better to be a Doctor.

I'll give it one more try - How do you give pros and cons of something you don't believe exists? I can argue about doctors and teachers, ama lawyers and cops, coz they exist. If you believe that it still makes sense to a rational man to discuss the pros and cons of stuff he doesn't believe exists, then please give me the pros and cons of being a mermaid over being a unicorn.
 
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Default RE: A prayer for tm - 03-23-2006, 06:07 AM

>TM, if you do actually read what we post, then I may be forced
>to take the other view - that you are slow! You leave me no
>choice, since I don't see how a person who isn't slow can keep
>questioning the same thing over and over despite being
>explained to a gabzillion times.

Let me try once again ..... For example if we are going to discuss the topic concerning 'THE BEGINING' .....trying to poke holes in the creation story does NOT immunize you from explaining how the first 'atom/element' and the first 'action/reaction' came to exist.

Pole for being to slow.
 
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Default RE: A prayer for tm - 03-23-2006, 09:26 AM

sajtas,


>>trying to score brownie points? I have bad news for you,
>what
>>he stated is fully correct, both in macro and micro, if you
>>don't accept it please provide a reliable scientific source
>>that proves otherwise.
>
>Coach, always spoiling for a fight eh? who said i didn't agree
>with him? You always like some confrontation don't ya?


Well, when you said "hey this guy doesn't know his micro from his macro" I didn't realise you were speaking of yourself.




>No I do not.....I think like a common person with some common
>sense.....one does not need religion to practice common sense
>or respect or fairness or rationale.

Common sense isn't so common mate, so take that as a complement! Religion gives you guidance and just because you believe in a certain religion (as you correctly stated) doesn't guarantee that you will use your intellect in the correct manner.




>> because the believer believes and anything that
>>adds to his/her belief is just a move towards the positive.
>
>One either has faith or one doesn't, one either believes or
>one doesn't......there is no grey area in between, there is no
>sitting on the fence. One cannot believe in God and then
>observe a 'miracle' and then believe even more........that is
>an obvious sign of a lingering doubt somewhere.


Belief is like love, there are different levels. Belief, just like love, can can grow and be stronger.




>>Most
>>scientists are divided on issue of creation, most are
>atheists
>>because God's existence can not be proved. But good sajtas
>>here is going BEYOND that and is going to prove to us (not
>>only God's existence) but HIS COMPOSITION! I can't wait!
>
>Oh yes, that I will......but i will also tackle it slowly so
>that you can get time to reflect on it and absorb it. Now be a
>good eager puppy but wait!

I will contact the Nobel Committee in Stockholm when you can show without any doubt what the composition of God is. That should also dispell the claims of those who don't believe in God. ATLian are you hearing this?



>>PS: You don't impress me with your proton, neutron, electron
>>talk and you better have good explanation. I work with
>>positrons and electrons in my day to day work and I'm also
>>familiar with particles all the way to qaurks and "strings".
>
>You know what Coach, unlike your extreme humility where you
>don't tell us about your vast depth of knowledge.......(oh by
>the way i have no clue what "qaurk" is but certainly know what
>a quark is!!!!!),I keep it simple. But in your infinite
>wisdom, could you please tell us exactly what an electron
>is???? Please, i'm not kidding here.....how do you describe an
>electron? If an atom was the size of the room you are in, how
>big in comparison would the nucleus be???

My wisdom is very limited, that is why you won't see me claiming I know what God is made of. You want to know what an electron is? Google it and you'll find millions of hits. I wasn't acting all mighty, just reminding you that using words like electron and proton wouldn't make your task easier.




>I will not be discouraged.....and you my friend ( am I your
>friend??) should be brave enough to have patience with what I
>say, you never know who you are talking to, this could be
>Allah you are talking to.

I don't know whether I can call you a friend; I don't know your first name and have never seen you, but we can not use the same criteria on the internet as we do in real life can we?



>hey let's talk about the christian fellow in Afghanistan
>(Abdul Rahman?) who's probably going to be put to death unless
>ofcourse he reverts to Islam, what's your take on this, as
>tolerant as you are brother Coach???


You seem to have a very short memory, we've discussed this and this was your response to my contribution "yawn!no seriously yawn!!!" No wonder you ask me the same things over and over again. See for yourself...

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Default REALITY CHECK - 03-23-2006, 12:03 PM

IF YOU JOIN THE UNFORTUNATE WAR ON MUSLIMS, THEN YOU ARE BEING EVIL AND SHORT SIGHTED....

MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT ABOUT ISLAM , AND CONFUSE ISLAM WITH ARABS. ISLAM IS A UNIVERSAL RELIGION FOUNDED BY PROPHET ABRAHAM(MAY ALLAH'S MERCY BE ON HIM), AND CONTINUES TO GROW. ISLAM RECOGNISES ALL PROPHETS FROM ADAM, THROUGH NOAH, MOSES TO JESUS AND FINALLY TO MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H)

THE LAST DECADE HAS WITNESSED HUMILIATION AND PROFILING OF MUSLIMS. THE WESTERN WORLD USED THE SAME TACTICS USED TO DEMONISE COMMUNISM AGAINST ISLAM. WHY? BECAUSE ISLAM IS STEADFAST, IS SEEN AS A COUNTER CULTURE AGAINST CAPITALISM AND IMMORALITY

MOST AFRICANS EMBRACED CHRISTIANITY THROUGH FORCE , HUMILIATION, OPPRESSION AND A MANIPULATIVE REWARD SYSTEM. IF YOU CHOSE THAT, WELL THATS YOUR CHOICE

ISLAM IS SPREAD THORUGH BROTHERHOOD, LOVE AND OBSERVING PRACTICES OF GOOD MUSLIMS...ANY BODY WHO KILLS DOESNT REPRESENT ISLAM, AND SHOULDNT BE CALLED A MUSLIM TERRORIST, JUST THE SAME WAY WE DONT CALL IRA CATHOLIC TERRORISTS, OR JEWISH EXTREMISTS...JUDAIST TERRORISTS

THE GUY WHO EMBRACED CHRISTINITY IN AFGHANISTAN DESERVES HIS RIGHT ...INDEED IT IS GUARANTEED IN ISLAM....DONT USE WRONG ACTIONS BY INDIVIDUALS TO REPRESENT A RELIGION OF 1 BILLION PLUS

PREACH TOLEARNCE AND UNDERSTANDING ...WE LIVE IN THE SAME WORLD AND WORSHIP AN AWESOME GOD
 
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Default RE: REALITY CHECK - 03-23-2006, 12:22 PM

>Let me try once again ..... For example if we are going to
>discuss the topic concerning 'THE BEGINING' .....trying to
>poke holes in the creation story does NOT immunize you from
>explaining how the first 'atom/element' and the first
>'action/reaction' came to exist.

TM, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know where we came from, or where atoms came from. Let's say some guy came and told me that two martians had sex 5 billion years ago and we are the result of their explosive orgasm, and the only proof he had was this book purpotedly inspired by the martians. Of course I'd rightly think that's a load of crap, and I'ld poke all the holes I could find in his theory. BTW I'll do this even if I still have no idea where we or atoms came from. However, according to you, I shouldn't poke holes in his absurd theory just because my knowledge hasn't reached a point where I know for sure where we came from. Basically, one shouldn't question anything unless he has a counter-explanation. Do you see how absurd that line of thinking is?

To me, the idea that there's a god who had existed forever in heaven, then one day he decided to create man, so that man can worship him in earth and forever in heaven, is just as absurd as the martian sex theory.



>Pole for being to slow.

You're forgiven, the world needs slow people to balance things out, and to blindly follow illogical dogmas.
 
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Default RE: A prayer for tm - 03-23-2006, 05:15 PM

Hey Coach

>Well, when you said "hey this guy doesn't know his micro from
>his macro" I didn't realise you were speaking of yourself.

don't be silly coach...go back to his website and you will see that he has written "macro" on both headings of the two lists.....that is what i meant.....check it out yourself.

> Religion gives you guidance and just because you
>believe in a certain religion (as you correctly stated)

I do not believe in any religion......and religion is not the only source of guidance.

>doesn't guarantee that you will use your intellect in the
>correct manner.

but common sense might, right?

>Belief is like love, there are different levels. Belief, just
>like love, can can grow and be stronger.

True love is infinite....infinite cannot then become more infinite, it already is.

>I will contact the Nobel Committee in Stockholm when you can
>show without any doubt what the composition of God is. That
>should also dispell the claims of those who don't believe in
>God. ATLian are you hearing this?

perhaps i have already been nominated. I have no intention for proving the existence of God, that is a different issue. This here is about what composes God..........and since you mention ATLian, I'll tell you this, ATLian has more in common with what defines the essence of God than you guys will ever find in your 'holy' books. If you do not believe me, wait for a few more years and you'll see.

>My wisdom is very limited, that is why you won't see me
>claiming I know what God is made of. You want to know what an
>electron is? Google it and you'll find millions of hits. I
>wasn't acting all mighty, just reminding you that using words
>like electron and proton wouldn't make your task easier.

Coach this is a discussion i'm in with you, the rest are observers free to join in....i can google electron, but for you to understand what the concept is requires your definition of what an electron is . What do YOU understand an electron is?
But thanks for reminding me, i am aware it's like pushing muck uphill especially when it comes to making you see from a different perspective.


>I don't know whether I can call you a friend; I don't know
>your first name and have never seen you, but we can not use
>the same criteria on the internet as we do in real life can
>we?

and why not? if we can still use 1st and 7th century criteria to lead our lives in this real life, why not the internet?

>You seem to have a very short memory, we've discussed this and
>this was your response to my contribution "yawn!no seriously
>yawn!!!" No wonder you ask me the same things over and over
>again. See for yourself...

Coach this afghan man was only just accused a few days ago, what are you on about?
But seems like i do get to you like a nasty rash.....have no fear, it's like purging you off the madarasa mentality.......over and over....

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

 
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Default RE: REALITY CHECK - 03-27-2006, 02:08 PM

Not to stray, but

"... the definition of faith--acceptance of that which we imagine to be true, that which we cannot prove. Every religion describes God through metaphor, allegory, and exaggeration, from the early Egyptians through modern Sunday school.

Metaphors are a way to help our minds process the unprocessible. The problems arise when we begin to believe literally in our own metaphors.." -DAN BROWN, The Da Vinci Code. pg 341-342

Did i stutter? I think not.
 
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