A prayer for tm - Page 3

Coach · (#21 (**permalink**))

sajtas,

>hey this guy doesn't know his micro from his macro.....but so
>what it was a spelling error!!
>Coach please do not try and sell this story of the miracles
>cos as far as i am concerned God is limitless in Her doings.
>Even that which makes no sense to you has an order to it.
>Get over it...i need no convincing. I do not believe in
>miracles.....miracles are for those who need reinforcement in
>their belief. For me every thing around me is a 'miracle' ,
>the mere fact that i can communicate with you is a miracle,
>everything and anything is a miracle to me.......i do not need
>to be impressed by some scientific gobbledegook to know a
>miracle.
>Anyone who understands God will know that miracles do not
>exist.....anybody can do it, one just has to know how. And
>i'll tell you one more thing, the bible and the kooran will
>not tell you how......it is not in the interest of religion to
>give people back the power they so deserve, something that is
>rightfully theirs.

trying to score brownie points? I have bad news for you, what he stated is fully correct, both in macro and micro, if you don't accept it please provide a reliable scientific source that proves otherwise.

For every Muslim, everything around is a miracle, afterall you do have some aspects of the psyche of a Muslim :) The Qur'an tells man to look at the skies, vegetation, man etc and to REFLECT upon these as they are all miracles. All Muslims know that life itself is a miracle and tehrefore what you are stating is nothing that contradicts the view of Islam, sorry! The amazing thing is that you can take these verses that were revealed over a millenia and a half ago and coompare it to contemporary science and you find no contradiction. That is the "miracle" and not what you claim that it is for "reinforcement", it does reinforce one's faith but that is not the purpose, because the believer believes and anything that adds to his/her belief is just a move towards the positive.

>>Well tacke it! With facts please, not guesswork, speculation
>>or unproven theories.
>
>Ok I will, let's not hurry here......so these elements that
>exist in man, can they also be in the soil, the mud? Yes, you
>answered that. Does it mean there are no more elements than
>the ones you mentioned? Ofcourse there are......but perhaps
>our bodies have no requirement for them? But let us look at
>the elements you listed Coach. Are they different from each
>other? No, break them down to simple parts ( and No, don't go
>too deep into nano nano bits) let's stick to the protons,
>electrons and neutrons.......are they any different from each
>other in All the elements?
>
>Lets give it a break here, don't wanna clog your time up or
>speculate or guess.....absorb this slowly.....and then we'll
>see the real miracle!!!!!!

You will have to come up with something spectacular that will earn you at least a Nobel Prize for your discovery. Most scientists are divided on issue of creation, most are atheists because God's existence can not be proved. But good sajtas here is going BEYOND that and is going to prove to us (not only God's existence) but HIS COMPOSITION! I can't wait!

PS: You don't impress me with your proton, neutron, electron talk and you better have good explanation. I work with positrons and electrons in my day to day work and I'm also familiar with particles all the way to qaurks and "strings". But hey, don't let that discourage you in your quest to tell us about God's composition.

TM,
As I've said many a times before, you jump on to anything that discredits Islam without any second look at it. I can post hundred of articles refuting what you just posted, but I'll refrain from that at the moment. If you want to seriously discuss this topic plese intiate a thread, or I can also do it and we can present the facts and discuss the topic there. Just give me the word and we'll get started InshaAllah.

Beenie_gal · (#22 (**permalink**))

Amen!

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ATLian · (#23 (**permalink**))

@arsenal2005

>hey atlian,
> i'm praying for you but i think u keep on repeating the same
>things all over.

I don't need to be prayed for, kwanza by someone who doesn't even know me and what my needs are. Also it's not like you have a direct line to god that I don't have, or like god will listen to you more than he'll listen to me. Plus shouldn't god already know what I need without me having to ask him for it?

As for me repeating the same thing over and over, what about Christianity, where you repeat the same stuff ad infinitum?

>The moment you dedicate your life to God, all
>the things that look weird will start making sense. Just trust
>God.

Every believer of every religion can tell me this exact same rhetoric regarding their respective god. So to me it's all empty talk. Give me some evidence, then we can talk.

>Being you, have you ever questioned where you came from?
>dont tell me about evolution.

Of course I've questioned where I came from, and I still don't know. What I know is that I don't believe the Maasai version (we came from the sky), the Bible version (god created us) or any of the other dogmatic versions out there.

>I know there isnt much i can do cuz i blame the world for
>hardening your heart but God's ways are mysterious.

You assume a lot.

TeamManager · (#24 (**permalink**))

>TM,
>As I've said many a times before, you jump on to anything that
>discredits Islam without any second look at it.

Coach,

1. I only entered into your & Satjas' TOM-AND-JERRY discussion after you mentioned my name.
2. As I've requested you many times before, give me a simple brief link that explains Islam without any anti-christian messages and i will check it out.....and compare it to faithfreedom.com. Sawa!

>I can post hundred of articles refuting what you just posted, but
>I'll refrain from that at the moment.

You know very well I wont care/bother to read them.

>InshaAllah.

Sounds like something I heard in a ....... movie!

TeamManager · (#25 (**permalink**))

@Bennie gal,

Thanks

Coach · (#26 (**permalink**))

TM,

>1. I only entered into your & Satjas' TOM-AND-JERRY discussion
>after you mentioned my name.
>2. As I've requested you many times before, give me a simple
>brief link that explains Islam without any anti-christian
>messages and i will check it out.....and compare it to
>faithfreedom.com. Sawa!

There are very many links and I'll tryand get them for you. Here's a good link for now...

http://www.islamherald.com/asp/index2.asp

>>I can post hundred of articles refuting what you just posted,
>but
>>I'll refrain from that at the moment.
>
>You know very well I wont care/bother to read them.

I thought you expect (or hope) people to read what you post, why wouldn't you read what others post? I just hope you read through the link I gave you above.

>>InshaAllah.
>
>Sounds like something I heard in a ....... movie!

It is a term said by Muslims worldwide many times a day (even some of my Chritian friends and co-workers say it). It means "If God wills" and is said when planning to do something in the future. We can not be 100% sure that we'll be there to do that particular thing.

ATLian · (#27 (**permalink**))

>>I can post hundred of articles refuting what you just posted, but
>>I'll refrain from that at the moment.
>
>You know very well I wont care/bother to read them.

This explains why TM keeps asking the same question over and over again. TM, for a second you had me thinking you were just a slow guy, since you still question (using the same words) the same stuff that has been explained to you by many different posters. I thought you just didn't understand where other people were coming from. Now I realize it's because you don't bother or care to read anything posted by someone who doesn't share your beleifs.

Death · (#28 (**permalink**))

@AtLian
I see you've finally seen what TM is about. The man is here to preach, not discuss. It's soo disgustingly obivous from the way he responds with questions you just answered, that he doesn't take the time to read anything you (or anyone else for that matter) write.

satjas · (#29 (**permalink**))

Hey TM

I'm just curious to know whether i am TOM or JERRY?

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

satjas · (#30 (**permalink**))

Hey Coach

>trying to score brownie points? I have bad news for you, what
>he stated is fully correct, both in macro and micro, if you
>don't accept it please provide a reliable scientific source
>that proves otherwise.

Coach, always spoiling for a fight eh? who said i didn't agree with him? You always like some confrontation don't ya?

>For every Muslim, everything around is a miracle, afterall you
>do have some aspects of the psyche of a Muslim

No I do not.....I think like a common person with some common sense.....one does not need religion to practice common sense or respect or fairness or rationale.

> because the believer believes and anything that
>adds to his/her belief is just a move towards the positive.

One either has faith or one doesn't, one either believes or one doesn't......there is no grey area in between, there is no sitting on the fence. One cannot believe in God and then observe a 'miracle' and then believe even more........that is an obvious sign of a lingering doubt somewhere.

>You will have to come up with something spectacular that will
>earn you at least a Nobel Prize for your discovery.

That is not my aim......but yes it is spectacular.....and no it's not a discovery, it's simply another perspective, the one you choose not to see from.

>Most
>scientists are divided on issue of creation, most are atheists
>because God's existence can not be proved. But good sajtas
>here is going BEYOND that and is going to prove to us (not
>only God's existence) but HIS COMPOSITION! I can't wait!

Oh yes, that I will......but i will also tackle it slowly so that you can get time to reflect on it and absorb it. Now be a good eager puppy but wait!

>PS: You don't impress me with your proton, neutron, electron
>talk and you better have good explanation. I work with
>positrons and electrons in my day to day work and I'm also
>familiar with particles all the way to qaurks and "strings".

You know what Coach, unlike your extreme humility where you don't tell us about your vast depth of knowledge.......(oh by the way i have no clue what "qaurk" is but certainly know what a quark is!!!!!),I keep it simple. But in your infinite wisdom, could you please tell us exactly what an electron is???? Please, i'm not kidding here.....how do you describe an electron? If an atom was the size of the room you are in, how big in comparison would the nucleus be???

>But hey, don't let that discourage you in your quest to tell
>us about God's composition.

I will not be discouraged.....and you my friend ( am I your friend??) should be brave enough to have patience with what I say, you never know who you are talking to, this could be Allah you are talking to.

>or I can also do it
>and we can present the facts and discuss the topic there. Just
>give me the word and we'll get started InshaAllah.

hey let's talk about the christian fellow in Afghanistan (Abdul Rahman?) who's probably going to be put to death unless ofcourse he reverts to Islam, what's your take on this, as tolerant as you are brother Coach???

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.