Homosexuality and Religion - Page 2

timmys · (#11 (**permalink**))

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...main&page=what

MwangiBangi · (#12 (**permalink**))

Secular Humanist??? What the hell kind of classification is that???

That to me is just justification for being a devient raving FAGGOT!

Msoto · (#13 (**permalink**))

>You can't tell anyone not to believe in or pray to God.
>That's the inplication i got from your response, Msoto.
>
I can urge people to believe in and pray to God.

reggie_woic · (#14 (**permalink**))

Are you contradicting yourself, msoto?
What happened to, and i quote, "You cannot be a christian and be gay"?

Sexuality and beliefs are independent of each other, just like crimes.

timmys · (#15 (**permalink**))

Please don't refer to me as a faggot. I am gay. If you bothered reading the links i had posted, you will found out what secular humanism is.

timmys · (#16 (**permalink**))

Why is homosexuality deviant?
I cannot change my sexual proclivities, nor indeed can you. Homosexuality is as natural to me as heterosexuality is as natural to you.

It is often said the most homophobic people are closet homosexuals. Do you fall under this category, Mwangi?

Msoto · (#17 (**permalink**))

I dont think it was a contradiction. Rather I was expressing that the Supreme Being isnt unreachable to anybody irrespective of their crimes or sexual orientation.

Believing and praying to God makes you an agnostic.

Believing that Jesus christ died to save us from eternal torment and that we also believe and pray to God and we follow the teachings of Jesus christ makes one a christian.

Therefore gays may believe and pray to God. No one can control or dictate how one should make that choice...that is a personal belief. However when one transcribes to be a CHRISTIAN not just by believing and praying to God then one cannot then be gay. Because christ's teachings are against gay's as many people can undoubtedly lift out several scriptural quotes.

reggie_woic · (#18 (**permalink**))

....so in order to be true followers of Christ (to follow his teachings), they would have to renounce their orientation.

I have a feeling this is hardly practical, unless being gay was a choice.

Msoto · (#19 (**permalink**))

>....so in order to be true followers of Christ (to follow his
>teachings), they would have to renounce their orientation.
>
>I have a feeling this is hardly practical, unless being gay
>was a choice.

Well who says that its not a choice, that we make?

Being gay is as much about choice if not more than it is about being genetic. There is no "gay gene" that has been scientifically proven and validated by different articles to exist. There are some correlations which arent even strong enough to make any conclusion.
However there is alot of evidence on environmental factors leading to one's apparent condition...therefore until I see a blue print of a "gay gene" its a matter of choice as I see it.

ATLian · (#20 (**permalink**))

>Being gay is as much about choice if not more than it is about
>being genetic. There is no "gay gene" that has been
>scientifically proven and validated by different articles to
>exist. ...therefore until I see a
>blue print of a "gay gene" its a matter of choice as I see
>it.

Msoto,

did you chose to be straight? Did you ever fika the gay and straight crossroad in your life where you thought about going straight or gay, and after weighing options out, you decided to go straight? Of course not. You were born straight and that's it, period. So why do you think that gays reached that same crossroad and instead chose to go gay? If it doesn't exist for you, why should it exist for gays? Ditto the gay gene theory - of course there's no straight gene, so why should there be a gay gene? Let's not apply double standards.

I think gayness is just something you're born with. We had this guy in our primo (Westlands, for those alumns who may remember) who we used to call "Ballet" coz of how he used to run, walk, etc. From Standard 1, the chap had no interest in all the "manly" things like soccer, etc. He was just in his own world. Of course then we (and he) never understood what was up. It was only later on (after high school) that we realized that he was gay (right now he's openly gay in Nairobi). Ballet never had a choice, that's just how he was programmed. He'll never feel what I feel for chics, just like I'll never feel what he feels for guys. So why should we fault him for that - especially if you believe that it's god who makes us all as we are?