[Pebbles_Nibbles]

MSOTO,

Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid already.

As in the days of the apostles men tried by tradition and philosophy to destroy faith in the Scriptures, so today, by the pleasing sentiments of higher criticism, evolution, spiritualism, theosophy, and pantheism, the enemy of righteousness is seeking to lead souls into forbidden paths. To many the Bible is as a lamp without oil, because they have turned their minds into channels of speculative belief that bring misunderstanding and confusion. The work of higher criticism, in dissecting, conjecturing, reconstructing, is destroying faith in the Bible as a divine revelation. It is robbing God's word of power to control, uplift, and inspire human lives. By spiritualism, multitudes are taught to believe that desire is the highest law, that license is liberty, and that man is accountable only to himself.

The follower of Christ will meet with the "enticing words" against which the apostle warned the Colossian believers. He will meet with spiritualistic interpretations of the Scriptures, but he is not to accept them. His voice is to be heard in clear affirmation of the eternal truths of the Scriptures. Keeping his eyes fixed on Christ, he is to move steadily forward in the path marked out, discarding all ideas that are not in harmony with His teaching e.g. evolution. The truth of God is to be the subject for his contemplation and meditation. He is to regard the Bible as the voice of God speaking directly to him. Thus he will find the wisdom which is divine.

The knowledge of God as revealed in Christ is the knowledge that all who are saved must have. This is the knowledge that works transformation of character. Received into the life, it will re-create the soul in the image of Christ. This is the knowledge that God invites His children to receive, beside which all else is vanity and nothingness.

In every generation and in every land the true foundation for character building has been the same--the principles contained in the word of God. The only safe and sure rule is to do what God says. "The statutes of the Lord are right," and "he that doeth these things shall never be moved." Psalms 19:8; 15:5. It was with the word of God that the apostles met the false theories of their day, saying, "Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid." 1 Corinthians 3:11.

At the time of their conversion and baptism the Colossian believers pledged themselves to put away beliefs and practices that had hitherto been a part of their lives, and to be true to their allegiance to Christ. In his letter, Paul reminded them of this, and entreated them not to forget that in order to keep their pledge they must put forth constant effort against the evils that would seek for mastery over them.

(a) Should people refrain from procreating because the THEORY of evolution is allegedly plausible? Nay. One must engage in the act of procreation in order to fulfill God's method and law of procreation. The theorists have come and gone, but Jesus still reigns supreme and is steadfast and true.

[TeamManager]

Darwin's tree of life

Does the tree represent reality? Now that we have more fossils discoveries since Darwin drew his picture has the evolutionary tree held up? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

A key aspect of darwin's theory was that natural selection would act slowly by accumulating slight, successive, favourable variations i.e/ gradually divergence over time until we have major differences.

The fossil evidence, even in his days, showed the opposite: the rapid apperance of phylum-level differences in whats call the CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION. Fossil discoveries over the last 150yrs have turned the tree upside down by showing the cambrain explosion was even more abrupt and extensive than scienctist once thought. contrary to the "tree", animals which are fundamentally different in their body plans appeared suddenly. Major groups of animals-instead of coming last, at the top of the tree- come first!
The Cambrian explosion has uprooted Darwin's tree

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[reggie_woic]

I've come up with a solution that is so simple, its simplicity can only be matched by its flaws:

"Instead of 'Created or Evolved', try digesting 'Created THEN Evolved'"
-Reggie Von Woic (clever chap he is)
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[satjas]

hey reggie

i think you have finally put it in a nutshell, bravo. The first ever table built by man was nothing but simply an idea. All creation stems from an initial thought, an idea, an energy. Now we have have all sorts of different tables that have evolved from that first idea.

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[Mbajuni]

We seem to be repeating message boards here a lot so I will just refer you all to another baord thet was up a couple of days before this one was posted and copy paste my message from there so I don't have to retype it all....

http://www.mashada.com/forums/index/...5366/index.php

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I do not believe in evolution but intelligent creation. I.E. God created man who is the perfect of all beings that is able to adapt in every environment ever handed down be it physically or through using his/her brains. Thus Adam was the FIRST man (Homo Sapien to teh scientist) but God fashioned us over a period of time. He first created one group of beings, and THEN fashioned us (like reggie woic
highlighted). I am muslim so to many (both Muslims and christians) this may sound weird but look at how beautifully the Quran fits with the evidence found of fossils etc...

Please note that I just try to show that the Quran does not CONTRADICT THE FACTS OF FOSSILS but at the same time, it does not SUPPORT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION. I am not saying what happenned EXACTLY but suggesting that if we were to compare what the Quran says to the EVIDENCE, we will see they can fit. The evidence is the bones etc not what Darwin say so before you argue with me saying that I suggest man "came" from monkeys, note that evolution is just ANOTHER explanation for the bones. This is my poke at my own explanation according to my religion.
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Starting with creation...so what does the Quran say happenned??

(7.11) And certainly We created you, THEN We fashioned you, THEN We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam. So they did obeisance except Iblis; he was not of those who did obeisance.

(4.1) O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.

****So...Adam was the FIRST HOMO SAPIEN after being fashioned from whatever it was before. Not necessarily as individual but fashioned as a plural group of species. But HE was the FIRST of OUR KIND i.e. Homo Sapiens/people/humans but NOT beings because beings can stand for anything. But how do we know there was a group before Adam???

(2.30) And when your Lord said to the angels, I am going to place in the earth a khalif, they said: What! wilt Thou place in it such as shall make mischief in it and shed blood, and we celebrate Thy praise and extol Thy holiness? He said: Surely I know what you do not know.

***So if God is the only one who is all-knowing, how did the angels know man will be mischevious and shed blood?? An explanation could be that there was a previous being created that resembled man with behaviour and looks. But how else do we know that there were some others before us?

(2.21) O men! serve your Lord Who created you and those before you so that you may guard (against evil).

(10.34) Say: Is there any one among your associates who can bring into existence the creation in the first instance, then reproduce it? Say: Allah brings the creation into existence, then He reproduces it; how are you then turned away?

(17.99) Do they not consider that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create their like, and He has appointed for them a doom about which there is no doubt? But the unjust do not consent to aught but denying.

***Ok fine, but how long was this fashioning creationing thing going on coz from what scientists say, the bones date a million years. But the bible says six days?? Well according to the Quran...

(11.7) And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six PERIODS-- and His dominion (extends) on the water-- that He might manifest to you, which of you is best in action, and if you say, surely you shall be raised up after death, those who disbelieve would certainly say: This is nothing but clear magic.

(7.54) Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six PERIODS of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

***So Allah says periods not necessarily days...so we are getting closer. But waaaaaaait a minute! Scientists found that life started from water???

(21.30) Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

**Ok fine, but can GOD reaaaaaaaaally do this??

(59.24) He is Allah the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner; His are the most excellent names; whatever is in the heavens and the earth declares His glory; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

So as you reflect on the clear proof please finish off with this small reading to sum up all that I have said. Since no being on earth says anything better than God Himself, I will plagiarize his words... (Please note the second last paragraph the most)

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(27.59) Say: Praise be to Allah and peace on His servants whom He has chosen: is Allah better, or what they associate (with Him)?
(27.60) Nay, He Who created the heavens and the earth, and sent down for you water from the cloud; then We cause to grow thereby beautiful gardens; it is not possible for you that you should make the trees thereof to grow. Is there a god with Allah? Nay! they are people who deviate.
(27.61) Or, Who made the earth a restingplace, and made in it rivers, and raised on it mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier. Is there a god with Allah? Nay! most of them do not know!
(27.62) Or, Who answers the distressed one when he calls upon Him and removes the evil, and He will make you successors in the earth. Is there a god with Allah? Little is it that you mind!
(27.63) Or, Who guides you in utter darkness of the land and the sea, and Who sends the winds as good news before His mercy. Is there a god with Allah? Exalted by Allah above what they associate (with Him).
(27.64) Or, Who originates the creation, then reproduces it and Who gives you sustenance from the heaven and the earth. Is there a god With Allah? Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.
(27.65) Say: No one in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen but Allah; and they do not know when they shall be raised.

[Akhenaten]

Hey Safina?

Faith is conviction of things yet to be realized. Isaiah spoke of the heavens and how the stars come out at night, none absent each answering to the call of the Lord. He asks you to call upon basic intelligence, which is the acknowledgement that all things around and about you are wonderful - that beautiful sunsets, the fiery comets and your wonderfully and fearfully made body are works of a great architect.

That to me is basic intelligence. If you are not awed by your surrounding, then you do not have powers of observation. The moment you become conscious of your existence and begin to analyze yourself and the world at large, it's only natural that you get down on your knees in all humility and acknowledge a great and mighty Maker.

Now, when you believe that this Maker has an even greater plan for you, and that he will direct your every step towards eternity, no matter the mediocrity around you, then you have faith; the surrender of everything that makes "human" sense, in pursuit of companionship with the highest intelligence, and of course the elusive price that is eternal life.

Remember my friend; the fool has said that there is no God.

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