[wahenga]

kuuliza si ujinga so need some perspective on this....

We know in the Holy Book it is written that it was the apple from the forbidden tree which caused matata and resulted with Adam with Eve being expelled from the garden of Eden.

We all know that the Holy book is written in parables.. so i was wondering was actualy an aple which Eve ate or it was the devil with Eve hanyarin, then Eve doin it with Adam that is being said as the forbidden fruit...coz afta they did wot they did the first thing they discoverd it was that they were naked.....plus we know soon afta they were expelled eve gave birth to Cain and Abel!!

[mtotowafuraha]

>kuuliza si ujinga so need some perspective on this....
>
>We know in the Holy Book it is written that it was the apple
>from the forbidden tree which caused matata and resulted with
>Adam with Eve being expelled from the garden of Eden.
>
>We all know that the Holy book is written in parables.. so i
>was wondering was actualy an aple which Eve ate or it was the
>devil with Eve hanyarin, then Eve doin it with Adam that is
>being said as the forbidden fruit...coz afta they did wot they
>did the first thing they discoverd it was that they were
>naked.....plus we know soon afta they were expelled eve gave
>birth to Cain and Abel!!

If Eve hanyad with the devil thus propagating mankind, that explains a lot about why mankind is sooooooo evil...
For example jungus pretending they are equal opportunity employer. They interview an African for a jobo kijuu-juu and then send you a ka-polite rejection letter as if you will be impressed by the polite tone, ati : "Unfortunately, you were not selected as one of the finalists. While I know this will be a disappointment for you, please remain assured that your application was very carefully reviewed and considered in light of the rest of the applicant pool. We thank you again."
Ghasia hii!
Back to main point, mankind are sons of devil!

[TeamManager]

>kuuliza si ujinga so need some perspective on this....

In Gen1:28.... God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Since Adam and Eve were to ...'be fruitful and increase in number' .....and it was not through OSMOSIS, SEX was the only option ......therefore SEX could not be the 'sin'.
The rest about 'eve and the devil' is lies generated by a wicked mind.
I hope you can see that its all about 'DISOBEDIENCE' and turning away from God.

BTW, Gen4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant ..........

AS you said 'kuuliza si ujinga .....'

[satjas]

Hey TM

>Since Adam and Eve were to ...'be fruitful and increase in
>number' .....and it was not through OSMOSIS, SEX was the only
>option ......therefore SEX could not be the 'sin'.
>The rest about 'eve and the devil' is lies generated by a
>wicked mind.
>I hope you can see that its all about 'DISOBEDIENCE' and
>turning away from God.
>
>BTW, Gen4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became
>pregnant ..........

Ok, this is very interesting.......did she deliver after she became pregnant?? what happened to the kids? Since there was no other than this one family that God created, who did the kids have sex with when they grew up to further multiply? did the brothers have sex with their sisters or mother to get more kids and vis a vis the dad? Does that not condone incest? Please tell us more TM,.......after the pregnancy, then?? Are we not all from the same gene pool? Were adam and eve white or black or yellow? Surely God specified that in the Bible didn't He? Why would God create things so perfect and then blemish them with a fault like disobedience? If this adam chap knew God was the head honcho why would he even dare rebel? free choice? And if this ALL KNOWING God knew that adam was going to disobey, did he expect another option from adam? Or now you are going to say it was the devil who influenced adam and eve and God did not know what plans they were making? so God is afterall not an all knowing God? TM why do you guys keep on mocking God??

I am God, why do you keep on mocking me? You think it would be impossible that I can write to you? If you have faith in what you believe I said 2000 yrs ago why do you find it difficult to believe I can be the one writing to you through satjas??

_the paradigm shifter.......God's friend......God.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[jarabuon]

>
>I am God, why do you keep on mocking me? You think it would be
>impossible that I can write to you? If you have faith in what
>you believe I said 2000 yrs ago why do you find it difficult
>to believe I can be the one writing to you through satjas??
>

ok, now you're scaring me....

[satjas]

Hey jarabuon

>ok, now you're scaring me....

Please do not be scared. God would never do anything your soul does not want to experience.

-the paradigm shifter....God's friend.

[jarabuon]

hey satjas

you mentioned incest in the bibles creation story which makes sense. i mean without trying to bash christianity, its only logical that incest would have occurred in that story. so what is your take on the creation story....

[satjas]

Hey jarabuon

>you mentioned incest in the bibles creation story which makes
>sense. i mean without trying to bash christianity, its only
>logical that incest would have occurred in that story. so what
>is your take on the creation story....


the creation story is just that.....a story, it has no sense in it.....perhaps it only serves to justify man's dominance over women......which in itself is inequality....which makes God an unfair God doesn't it??

My take is that evolution and the big bang theory go hand in hand. I have tried to explain this in some of my previous posts. If you can understand that God is everything and that nothing, NOTHING exists outside God then it follows that any thoery, however weird has to exist within the context of God. Even just an idea in the head has to exist somewhere in the realm of God. That is what makes God everything, all knowing, omnipresent. Your wildest imagination has to be known by God right? If not then God won't be an all knowing God would S/He???

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend

[fijat]

>Hey jarabuon
>...perhaps it only serves to justify man's dominance
>over women......which in itself is inequality....which makes
>God an unfair God doesn't it??

1 Chronicles 29:17 (New International Version)
17 I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity. All these things have I given willingly and with honest intent. And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you.

You ever heard the story of a barber and his customer:
BARBER: "God does not exist because if he did then he would not allow for all the sufferng in the world";
CUSTOMER: "Barbers don't exist because if they did then All men would have their trimed and well groomed"
BARBER: ". Barbers do exist it's just that the guys who need a haircut do't come to get their hair cut"
CUSTOMER: "..God also does exist, only the people who need salvation don't call on God."

Point to the story: "Inequaility is in the hands of the individual" We're all not the same... which leaves "God an unfair God". He gave us freewill

[ATLian]

About the incest thingi - incest is definitely forbidden in the bible, and the punishment is death:

Leviticus 20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

But twice, incest has been the reason why the world was populated:

1) We are all descended from Adam and Eve, so that means their kids had to have sex with each other since there was no one else to have sex with. Also, Eve was made from Adam's rib, so some may consider that cloning a form of incest.

2) After god's genocidal rage wiped out all but a few humans in the great flood, we were then produced by the incestuous activities of Noah's kids and their kid's kids.

So holding that incest is a crime yet having the world populated twice as a result of incest is an obvious contradiction.

Another puzzling thing is, after Cain killed Abel, there were 3 poeple alive on earth (him, Adam and Eve), but after god drove him away to be a vagabond, he's scared of being killed by "other" people out there:

Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

Who the hell were these other people out there? And when Cain later married, where the heck did his wife come from?

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch