[drezy1]

I have read a lot of the discussions that have been carried out on this forum. One thing I must applaud folk on is their memory of the Bible. Time and time again, scriptures are quoted with what seems to be a whole lot of ease. I used "memory" rather than knowledge or understanding for a reason; it is not hard to tell that the majority do not have much of a clue as to what their faith is all about nor what the scriptures they quote really mean.

The most interesting thing is some of the atheist e.g. ATLian have somewhat of a better understanding of what God is all about despite their lack of faith/belief.

I could probably pick up any class in school, study & memorize the text and subsequently ace my exams but when I get into the real world, it’s my understanding of the subject that will be tested.

[TeamManager]

>it is not hard to tell that the majority do not have
> much of a clue as to what their faith is all about nor
> what the scriptures they quote really mean.

Please enlighten us.

>
>The most interesting thing is some of the atheist e.g.
> ATLian have somewhat of a better understanding of what
>God is all about despite their lack of faith/belief.

Why am I not surprised by your deductions

[D.G.E.T.]

I don't really disagree with anything he's said, what's the deal TM?

[satjas]

Hey TM,

Long time.....

>Please enlighten us.

One who basks in the glory and illumination of the biblical knowledge cannot be enlightened further.....unless ofcourse the bible is not a beacon of total illumination??

>Why am I not surprised by your deductions

Because you have already pre-judged that whatever ATLian says will be against the will of God......and we all know how stupid ATLian is ( tsk, tsk dude!) and how so very clever TM is......rest assured you take the mantle of blind faith, you lead by example, whatever examples you tell us here, and your wide angled view of the narrowness of religion shines unperturbed.

I am but a peanut brained unbeliever according to Coach.....mine is heresay....i thrive in it.

I have faith that i can see what I am writing on this computer, but I have no faith that you TM exist.......then again I have Blind Faith that you exist....so i write to you nevertheless.

Faith by its own virtue has to be blind for one to believe in God. Its like the mind denying the existence of the brain yet without the brain no mind exists. In your pursuit of blind faith you question not the existence of the brain. Yet ATLian is doing exactly the same but at a different degree....everytime he questions the existence of the brain he has to involve the mind......his is not blind faith......his conclusion will be by the process of elimination whereas you will be eliminated in the process TM.

Take a cue, start questioning your Bible if you want to know the truth, do not follow it blindly.....in it you will find the lies you've been told over all these years. We have, why can't you??

-the paradigm shifter......God's and ATLian's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[drezy1]

>Please enlighten us.

Maybe you could start by telling me what your signature means i.e:

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. Acts 4:12


>>The most interesting thing is some of the atheist e.g.
>> ATLian have somewhat of a better understanding of what
>>God is all about despite their lack of faith/belief.
>
>Why am I not surprised by your deductions

I can't possibly begin to imagine why you are not surprised, maybe you could clue me in...

[TeamManager]

My friend, take some to off and analyses his arguement...for example..

>The New Testament also doesn't indicate that Christ
>WASN'T married. Since that was the norm those days, it
>makes perfect sense that he was married

The arguement that 'A' wasn't indicated mean therefore 'B' is the only option ...is wrong....the razor cuts both ways. Can I say that since newspapers don't say that President Kibaki isn't a drug addict ......then it means that he is a drug addict......this is the kind of wrong thinking I am talking about.

Similarly, he agrues that there is no God ..... without giving a iota of evidence. According to him, its people who believe in God that should 'prove' their side. BUT he refuses to accept my testimony that God is REAL in my life.

>Maybe you could start by telling me what your signature
>means
>Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other
>name under heaven given to men by which we must be
> saved. Acts 4:12

It mean that there is ONLY ONE WAY to God and that is through Jesus Christ........by the way it come directly from the Bible.

[TeamManager]

Hey Satjas
>Long time.....

Nice to be back. My holiday back home was great.

>
>>Please enlighten us.
>
>One who basks in the glory and illumination of the biblical
>knowledge cannot be enlightened further.....unless ofcourse
>the bible is not a beacon of total illumination??

Enlighten ..... as in share information/knowlegde and NOT your 'give spiritual insight' thinking




>Because you have already pre-judged that whatever ATLian
>says will be against the will of God......

ATLian personally choose his side and freely announced it in mashada.

...ignored the rest.....


>Faith by its own virtue has to be blind for one to believe in God.

Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:1 ......if you have time read the whole of Heb 11 and tell me whether theirs was Blind faith.....Noah, in building the ark.....Abraham, in forsaking the land of his nativity at the command of God....David, in striking down Goliath.....etc etc.

Since we are talking about to Different God and two different believe systems .......I understand that YOURS is blind.....honestly I feel for you.

[Coach]

satjas,
>I am but a peanut brained unbeliever according to
>Coach.....mine is heresay....i thrive in it.

Why am I not surprised that you are trying to score some points using my name? Furthermore, you threw in the word "unbeliever" (which I don't EVER recall calling you) to score some exta juicy points.

PS: I called you 'peanut brain' in your naive interpretations of world politics.

[satjas]

Hey Coach

>Why am I not surprised that you are trying to score some
>points using my name? Furthermore, you threw in the word
>"unbeliever" (which I don't EVER recall calling you) to score
>some exta juicy points.
>
>PS: I called you 'peanut brain' in your naive interpretations
>of world politics.


Coach, let's not try fool ourselves and others......one is either part of the umma or not, one is either a believer or an unbeliever, one is either a muslim or not.....one is either us or them, it's either dar es salaam or dar ul harb, one either believes in allah or not.....that has been made distinct by your ideology. If you feel i have or i am trying to score extra juicy points please feel free to use the same towards me.....this was never a competition in the first place, why do you always feel like a loser??

Since I am not an apologist, i dare not fool myself and others only to sugarcoat your interpretations of world politics...........i will always remain naive, peanut brained and stupid in your eye simply because i am not of your ideology, i do not follow it nor recommend anyone else to do so.......nor will i stop anyone from following it as that would be an almost impossible task.

I find it absurd that even the guys who commited the atrocities in london have the gall to say it was not religion-motivated, yet almost all have something to do with muslim sounding names. They say it is due to the conflict in iraq.......I do not for one believe that they are the only ones opposed to what happened in iraq, many people all over the world opposed the war in iraq, except most iraqis themselves (ironic?), but not many people would cause such harm to justify these claims. That takes blind faith, something you have in abundance. Remember it is important to note that the 9/11 murders had nothing to do with the war in afganistan and iraq. These guys were simply doing their religious right in killing the infidel westerners.

-the paradigm shifter........God's friend.

[Coach]

satjas,

>If you feel i have or i am trying to score
>extra juicy points please feel free to use the same towards
>me.....this was never a competition in the first place, why do
>you always feel like a loser??

I do not feel like a loser at all, I just feel compelled to adress the things you constantly attribute to Islam and I.



>Since I am not an apologist, i dare not fool myself and others
>only to sugarcoat your interpretations of world
>politics...........i will always remain naive, peanut brained
>and stupid in your eye simply because i am not of your
>ideology, i do not follow it nor recommend anyone else to do
>so.......nor will i stop anyone from following it as that
>would be an almost impossible task.

The British govt does not believe Islam is to blame but you do, do you see the difference? They know that 1 billion plus believers can not be blamed for the actions of a few deranged individuals. But you have issues with Islam and would gladly pin any wrong done by a Muslim to Islam.


>I find it absurd that even the guys who commited the
>atrocities in london have the gall to say it was not
>religion-motivated, yet almost all have something to do with
>muslim sounding names.

The ones who were arrested are basically criminals. One was in prison for a violent crime, another was even banned from a local store for stealing, the third (caught in Italy) is actually a fraudster because it was revealed that he wasn't Somali but an Ethipian using fake papers. None of them are religious and the real reasons why they did what they did can only be answered by them. But I call you peanut brain because you would gladly put the blame on Islam because of the sound of the names.


They say it is due to the conflict in
>iraq.......I do not for one believe that they are the only
>ones opposed to what happened in iraq, many people all over
>the world opposed the war in iraq, except most iraqis
>themselves (ironic?), but not many people would cause such
>harm to justify these claims. That takes blind faith,
>something you have in abundance.

I do not have "blind faith". Over 2 million Londoners demonstrated against the invasion of Iraq but the British govt did not listen to their voices. People should use proper political means (like voting) to show their displeasure. This is people power and innocent civilians shouldn't be killed for the decisions the govt made without their consent.


Remember it is important to
>note that the 9/11 murders had nothing to do with the war in
>afganistan and iraq. These guys were simply doing their
>religious right in killing the infidel westerners.

Who was behind the attacks of 9/11? 7 of the 19 named by the FBI are alive and live in Saudi Arabia, their identities were stoeln in order to place the blame on them. Other Muslims like Mohamed Atta were also involved, but if you read about him, he was very famous on the club-scenes and was a party animal, not your average jihadist eh?

The wicked foreign policies of USA and GB didn't start with the invasion of Iraq, this kind of reasonning shows how much you disregard the big picture. For example, the propblems that are going on in Palestine were caused by the British in 1917 when they decieved the Arabs (who hleped them bring down the Ottoma Empire) and Balfour signed the declaration giving Jews Palestinian land as a token of appreciation for drafting USA into WW1. Since then, the Americans have been funding Israel and helping them ammas more and more Palestinian land. Who does Osama hate USA? It is because of the role they have played the last 50 years in supporting tyrants in Muslim countries, Iraq is just another example and not the main reason.