[satjas]

hey Coach

>I do not feel like a loser at all, I just feel compelled to
>adress the things you constantly attribute to Islam and I.

those are facts..........like i've said before i have no problem with people, you included, its the ideology that beggars belief!!

>The British govt does not believe Islam is to blame but you
>do, do you see the difference? They know that 1 billion plus
>believers can not be blamed for the actions of a few deranged
>individuals. But you have issues with Islam and would gladly
>pin any wrong done by a Muslim to Islam.

Hmmm........in a politically correct mad gone world they perhaps dare not say what they truly feel since it will cause more problems than heal already broken wounds......the wounds that were inflicted on 7/7 and again unsuccessfully two weeks later.
People who cannot think beyond themselves will always feel threatened.......I do not blame 1 Billion people for the action of a few. Perhaps by a few you mean 0.1% of a Billion.....that makes 1 million deranged individuals.........still alot if you ask me......out of these 1 million about 19 were the 9/11 guys and 4 were the london chaps....all in all perhaps 1000 guys or even 10,000 guys have done stuff cos they were deranged........That still leaves a hell of a lot of deranged fellows out there. And guess what they all follow the same ideology....they follow it better than you......they act upon what their ideology tells them to do. The british govt has not had time to read the book of that ideology. Perhaps they ought to.....they'll get enlightened......like some of us did.


>The ones who were arrested are basically criminals. One was in
>prison for a violent crime, another was even banned from a
>local store for stealing, the third (caught in Italy) is
>actually a fraudster because it was revealed that he wasn't
>Somali but an Ethipian using fake papers. None of them are
>religious and the real reasons why they did what they did can
>only be answered by them. But I call you peanut brain because
>you would gladly put the blame on Islam because of the sound
>of the names.

Yes peanut brain agrees they have muslim sounding names but you will ofcourse try and justify that they were common criminals. You think we are stupid to believe that petty criminals would come up with plans to kill people on this scale? petty criminals thrive in petty theft.....they are not ready to die for a cause.....these guys are. Dude lets not forget mike tyson is a former convict.....but is a muslim now.

>I do not have "blind faith". Over 2 million Londoners
>demonstrated against the invasion of Iraq but the British govt
>did not listen to their voices. People should use proper
>political means (like voting) to show their displeasure. This
>is people power and innocent civilians shouldn't be killed for
>the decisions the govt made without their consent.

That is why they used their votes in the last election and voted back the same govt. On that same note i wonder how many islamic states have fair voting? why then are innocent victims being killed in london by brits of muslim belief ??

>Who was behind the attacks of 9/11? 7 of the 19 named by the
>FBI are alive and live in Saudi Arabia, their identities were
>stoeln in order to place the blame on them. Other Muslims like
>Mohamed Atta were also involved, but if you read about him, he
>was very famous on the club-scenes and was a party animal, not
>your average jihadist eh?

My question at this point is - are you a jihadist since you proclaim to know who an average jihadist is?

>The wicked foreign policies of USA and GB didn't start with
>the invasion of Iraq, this kind of reasonning shows how much
>you disregard the big picture. Who
>does Osama hate USA? It is because of the role they have
>played the last 50 years in supporting tyrants in Muslim
>countries, Iraq is just another example and not the main
>reason.

Coach, i do not discuss politics since my peanut brain is incapable of rationale thought process. The jews have always belonged to isreal and it just so happens that jerusalem happens to be in their so called holy land. They have every right to be there just as much as the palestinians. We need tolerance and peace not war and hatred.

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend


The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[ATLian]

>>The New Testament also doesn't indicate that Christ
>>WASN'T married. Since that was the norm those days, it
>>makes perfect sense that he was married
>
>The arguement that 'A' wasn't indicated mean therefore 'B' is
>the only option ...is wrong....the razor cuts both ways.

TM,

if the Bible doesn't mention anything about Christ's marital status, then isn't it obvious that chances are 50 - 50 that he was either married or not? TeeJay argued that Christ was NOT married because the Bible doesn't mention anywhere about him being married. I was just presenting the other side of the argument.

My argument is simple - since we're at 50 - 50 as to whether Christ was married, lets then look at other factors that can favor each argument. On the positive sides (reasons why Christ would have been married), god is pro marriage, Christ was living like a normal man doing everything normal men did them days (apart from sinning) so it's logical he did the normal thing and got married, etc. All these add weight to the marriage side of the evidence, hence it's logical that he was married. When I ask TeeJay why he says Christ wasn't married, all he can say is "The Bible doesn't say so."

BTW the drug addict analogy is flawed



>Similarly, he agrues that there is no God ..... without giving
>a iota of evidence. According to him, its people who believe
>in God that should 'prove' their side. BUT he refuses to
>accept my testimony that God is REAL in my life.

Let me correct this - I have never said that there is NO god. I just say that I don't BELIEVE that there is a god. You also don't know whether god exists or not, you just BELIEVE that there is a god. So that's what separates us, belief, not facts.

Also, I don't have to give an iota of evidence to prove that god doesn't exist. Why can't you understand this basic maxim - the onus of the proof is on the believer! You believe that a god exists, then you prove it to me. Don't come tell me that 7 legged pygmies live behind your grand mathes house, then when I say that I don't believe you, you tell ME to prove that there are no 7 legged pygmies behind your grand mathes house.

[Coach]

satjas,

>those are facts..........like i've said before i have no
>problem with people, you included, its the ideology that
>beggars belief!!

Just like you, I have a problem with the rationale these people are using. Islam does in no way support the killing of innocent civilians, I can even post hadiths to show you that killing women and children and are forbidden in Islam. These people might be Muslims, but they have somehow used Islam to try and justify their thirts for blood. The problem is NOT with islam, but you think it is and that's where we disagree.



>Hmmm........in a politically correct mad gone world they
>perhaps dare not say what they truly feel since it will cause
>more problems than heal already broken wounds......the wounds
>that were inflicted on 7/7 and again unsuccessfully two weeks
>later.
>People who cannot think beyond themselves will always feel
>threatened.......

They are being "PC" not because they fear more bombings but because the gvt fears the British population will blame them for bringing the war to their streets. That is why Blair is concentrating only in vilifying the bombers and not the reasons that might have led to the bombing. This is what a respected think tank in Britain said (in the link below), but the govt refuses to acknowledge a link...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5041259.html


I do not blame 1 Billion people for the
>action of a few. Perhaps by a few you mean 0.1% of a
>Billion.....that makes 1 million deranged
>individuals.........still alot if you ask me......out of these
>1 million about 19 were the 9/11 guys and 4 were the london
>chaps....all in all perhaps 1000 guys or even 10,000 guys have
>done stuff cos they were deranged........

That's some pretty wicked stats! You should consider working as a spin doctor. You have over 100 000 deranged american soldiers in Iraq today who are risking their lives in an unjust war. There are hundreds of souther Sudanese people killing people, destroying property and causing mayhem after they found out about Garang's death. There are 1000's of Russian soldiers killing women and children in Chechnya. There are a lot of crazy people in the world mate.


That still leaves a
>hell of a lot of deranged fellows out there. And guess what
>they all follow the same ideology....they follow it better
>than you......they act upon what their ideology tells them to
>do.

There we go again, you are blaming islam for their actions. I asked you to bring evidence that supports your claim from the Qur'an and I'll help break it down for you.


The british govt has not had time to read the book of
>that ideology. Perhaps they ought to.....they'll get
>enlightened......like some of us did.

Really? And they have directly and indirectly colonised Muslim countries for centuries. You should tell them this exciting information that you have unearthed. Who knows, they might throw an OBE to say thanks.


>Yes peanut brain agrees they have muslim sounding names but
>you will ofcourse try and justify that they were common
>criminals. You think we are stupid to believe that petty
>criminals would come up with plans to kill people on this
>scale? petty criminals thrive in petty theft.....they are not
>ready to die for a cause.....these guys are. Dude lets not
>forget mike tyson is a former convict.....but is a muslim
>now.

Well, what peanut brain needs to understand that these people have been duped! They have probably been told that all their sins can be dissolved with the push of a button. They were probably told that 72 virgins will be thrown in as an extra bonus. You would have to be a stupid criminal to buy that.



>That is why they used their votes in the last election and
>voted back the same govt. On that same note i wonder how many
>islamic states have fair voting? why then are innocent victims
>being killed in london by brits of muslim belief ??

Fair voting is not encouraged by the west because the Muslim population generally opts for theocracy and taht is not what they want. Algeria as a good example and they have also said that they didn't go to Iraq so that a theocracy can be born (read: they will not allow the people to choose Islam).



>My question at this point is - are you a jihadist since you
>proclaim to know who an average jihadist is?


I am a Jihadist and I undertake what is called Jihad-Akbar, the Greater Jihad. This is the Jihad of the soul and is the most important form of Jihad in Islam. I bet you didn't know that! I was referring to a militant jihadist who is doing the lesser jihad.


>Coach, i do not discuss politics since my peanut brain is
>incapable of rationale thought process. The jews have always
>belonged to isreal and it just so happens that jerusalem
>happens to be in their so called holy land. They have every
>right to be there just as much as the palestinians. We need
>tolerance and peace not war and hatred.

Palestine (the land that is now referred to as Israel, West Bank and Gaza) has always belonged The Jews, Muslims and Christians. That is until the Balfour Declaration in 1917 and the creation of the state of Israel in 1947 - when the land suddenly belonged to the Jews only and otehrs were seen as extras. Jews migrated from all over the world to move in while Palestinians were pushed out...how can tolerance and peace be born out of that?

[Volina]

Oh friends, why do you despise God’s servant. Surely, those who profess to be God’s Servant will be persecuted, but count it joy my brethren, if ye truly serve God then He will be honored if ye serve because of His name.

How easy it is for a needle to pass through a camel than an educated man to go to Heaven. The knowledge, the meaningless theories that have blinded the little sweethearts of God, his co-heirs with Him, surely, Jesus said that whoever who believes in Him will not perish but have life everlasting. Oh, how I wish all men in Mashada would heed these words and live.

He is knocking still, if ye have faith just like the little kid all your doubts will be answered. Oh, I pray that God might reveal and open your eyes that you may discern his ways for they are live.

[drezy1]

>>Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other
>>name under heaven given to men by which we must be
>> saved. Acts 4:12
>
>It mean that there is ONLY ONE WAY to God and that is through
>Jesus Christ........by the way it come directly from the
>Bible.


First I ask, isn't Jesus Christ God in which case in getting to Christ you have already gotten to God.

Second, does this mean that if I choose to live a life obeying all the 10 commandments ONLY, commandments given to Moses directly by God, and not particularly following the teachings laid out in the new testament I will not be saved?

Finally, did you ever stop to consider that it simply meant that through is death on the cross, Jesus saved mankind by opening up the gates of heaven.