[Mand meru]

Many believe that mary magdalene was Jesus' wife but the bible deliberately portrays her as a prostitute to camouflage this fact. I find this very unsettling. Did Jesus really marry?

[mahatma]

Stop believing everything you read.

After all, that is a work of fiction.

[ATLian]

There's a lot of evidence, both factual and circumstantial, that points to him being married, but I haven't seen any evidence that can prove that he WASN'T married. I believe that Jesus was a "normal" man in all ways until he started his preaching. So he did everything normal Jewish men at that time did, including hanging out with his boys, boozing (remember the wine incident, there's no way he'd have turned that water into wine if he didn't think wine was OK), getting a career, and eventually getting married and getting kids. Then when his father called him, he had to leave all that behind and do his thing, same way all his disciples had to leave their wives and families and follow him.

Later on when the Catholic church decided that celibacy was the chosen route for their priests, the powers that be decided that it would not look good if Jesus was married. So they removed all references of the marriage from the bible.

A good question is why WOULDN'T Jesus be married? God places a very high value on marriage and that man + woman unity, so it would be hypocritical for his son not to do it.

[ATLian]

>Stop believing everything you read.
>
>After all, that is a work of fiction.


Mahatma,

I can argue the same about the Bible being a work of fiction, and also advice you to not believe everything you read in the Bible...

Da Vinci Code IS a work of fiction, but the story is based around a lot of historical truths.

[teejay]

>Many believe that mary magdalene was Jesus' wife but the
>bible deliberately portrays her as a prostitute to camouflage
>this fact. I find this very unsettling. Did Jesus really
>marry?

The New Testament does not in any way indicate that Christ Married and neither do all prophesies pointing towards the coming of the messiah in the Old Testament. Where are you people getting this idea from? It is clearly indicate in the holy writing that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute that Christ saved from the murderous mob’s wrath.

Apostle Luke says that “the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him." In the sunlight of His Father's countenance, Jesus "increased in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and man." Luke 2:52

The child Jesus did not receive instruction in the synagogue schools. His mother was His first human teacher. From her lips and from the scrolls of the prophets, He learned of heavenly things. The very words which He Himself had spoken to Moses for Israel He was now taught at His mother's knee. As He advanced from childhood to youth, He did not seek the schools of the rabbis. He needed not the education to be obtained from such sources; for God was His instructor.The question asked during the Saviour's ministry, "How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?" does not indicate that Jesus was unable to read, but merely that He had not received a rabbinical education. John 7:15. That was until tha day hstarted his teaching. There is absolutley no eveidence of an marriage between Magdalen and Christ. Those people who insinute that such a an affair existed are perpetuating falsehood of greatest magnitudes.

Perhaps it would be well of anybody in support of this heresy to put forth evidence of this.

[teejay]

>There's a lot of evidence, both factual and circumstantial,
>that points to him being married, but I haven't seen any
>evidence that can prove that he WASN'T married. I believe that
>Jesus was a "normal" man in all ways until he started his
>preaching. So he did everything normal Jewish men at that time
>did, including hanging out with his boys, boozing (remember
>the wine incident, there's no way he'd have turned that water
>into wine if he didn't think wine was OK), getting a career,
>and eventually getting married and getting kids. Then when his
>father called him, he had to leave all that behind and do his
>thing, same way all his disciples had to leave their wives and
>families and follow him.

What you say here actually reveal you have limited in biblical resources. As such you Know neither the scriptures nor God who sends his son into this world. Christ had been ordained in heaven before he birth here on earth and his coming here was purposely to restore unto God the Lost mankind. Of course he took upon himself our human body and walked in this sinful world but depended on His father 100%. He did not engage in the things of this world which he often said belonged to the of this world (unbelievers)

ATlian I always say that treating Holy Scriptures as a normal literature is of no use to you. Because, you only end up corrupting its teaching to find your own way. You talk about the wine that Christ made(his first miracle) I want you to read carefully and weigh what the ruler said after drinking that wine. “ When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.” John 2:9-11
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU DON’T KNOW. I TAKE THE LIBERTY TO BRIEFLY INFORM YOU ABOUT THE MIRACLE AND THE LESSON THEREIN. AS MEN SET FORTH THE BEST WINE FIRST, THEN AFTERWARD THAT WHICH IS WORSE, SO DOES THE WORLD WITH ITS GIFTS. THAT WHICH IT OFFERS MAY PLEASE THE EYE AND FASCINATE THE SENSES, BUT IT PROVES TO BE UNSATISFYING. THE WINE TURNS TO BITTERNESS, THE GAIETY TO GLOOM. THAT WHICH WAS BEGUN WITH SONGS AND MIRTH ENDS IN WEARINESS AND DISGUST. BUT THE GIFTS OF JESUS ARE EVER FRESH AND NEW. THE FEAST THAT HE PROVIDES FOR THE SOUL NEVER FAILS TO GIVE SATISFACTION AND JOY. EACH NEW GIFT INCREASES THE CAPACITY OF THE RECEIVER TO APPRECIATE AND ENJOY THE BLESSINGS OF THE LORD. HE GIVES GRACE FOR GRACE. THERE CAN BE NO FAILURE OF SUPPLY. IF YOU ABIDE IN HIM, THE FACT THAT YOU RECEIVE A RICH GIFT TODAY INSURES THE RECEPTION OF A RICHER GIFT TOMORROW. THE WORDS OF JESUS TO NATHANAEL EXPRESS THE LAW OF GOD'S DEALING WITH THE CHILDREN OF FAITH. WITH EVERY FRESH REVELATION OF HIS LOVE, HE DECLARES TO THE RECEPTIVE HEART, "BELIEVEST THOU? THOU SHALT SEE GREATER THINGS THAN THESE." JOHN 1:50.
The gift of Christ to the marriage feast was a symbol. The water represented baptism into His death; the wine, the shedding of His blood for the sins of the world. The water to fill the jars was brought by human hands, but the word of Christ alone could impart to it life-giving virtue. So with the rites which point to the Saviour's death. It is only by the power of Christ, working through faith, that they have efficacy to nourish the soul.
The word of Christ supplied ample provision for the feast. So abundant is the provision of His grace to blot out the iniquities of men, and to renew and sustain the soul. THE WINE WHICH CHRIST PROVIDED FOR THE FEAST, AND THAT WHICH HE GAVE TO THE DISCIPLES AS A SYMBOL OF HIS OWN BLOOD, WAS THE PURE JUICE OF THE GRAPE. TO THIS THE PROPHET ISAIAH REFERS WHEN HE SPEAKS OF THE NEW WINE "IN THE CLUSTER," AND SAYS, "DESTROY IT NOT; FOR A BLESSING IS IN IT." ISA. 65:8.
It was Christ who in the Old Testament gave the warning to Israel, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Prov. 20:1. And He Himself provided no such beverage. Satan tempts men to indulgence that will becloud reason and benumb the spiritual perceptions, but Christ teaches us to bring the lower nature into subjection. His whole life was an example of self-denial. In order to break the power of appetite, He suffered in our behalf the severest test that humanity could endure. It was Christ who directed that John the Baptist should drink neither wine nor strong drink. It was He who enjoined similar abstinence upon the wife of Manoah. And He pronounced a curse upon the man who should put the bottle to his neighbor's lips. Christ did not contradict His own teaching. The unfermented wine which He provided for the wedding guests was a wholesome and refreshing drink. Its effect was to bring the taste into harmony with a healthful appetite.
As the guests at the feast remarked upon the quality of the wine, inquiries were made that drew from the servants an account of the miracle. The company were for a time too much amazed to think of Him who had performed the wonderful work. When at length they looked for Him, it was found that He had withdrawn so quietly as to be unnoticed even by His disciples. The attention of the company was now turned to the disciples. For the first time they had the opportunity of acknowledging their faith in Jesus. They told what they had seen and heard at the Jordan, and there was kindled in many hearts the hope that God had raised up a deliverer for His people. The news of the miracle spread through all that region, and was carried to Jerusalem. With new interest the priests and elders searched the prophecies pointing to Christ's coming. There was eager desire to learn the mission of this new teacher, who appeared among the people in so unassuming a manner.
ATlian Don’t just utter things you don’t know, lest you be held responsible for leading multitudes away from the Lord, just as Christ pronounced a curse upon the man who should put the bottle to his neighbor's lips. Your wild misrepresentation of the biblical teachings is tantamount to putting of mocking wine to your neighbor’s lips.
>Later on when the Catholic church decided that celibacy was
>the chosen route for their priests, the powers that be decided
>that it would not look good if Jesus was married. So they
>removed all references of the marriage from the bible.

The Catholic Church decided on celibacy because ancient pope was ravaging their religion’s name with persistent sexual scandals. The most notable was the woman pope Joan who fell pregnant out of wedlock. The poor lady died out of shame. She had numerous adulterous scandals to her credit. The Catholic Church did not remove any marriage reference (on Christ) from the bible. In the first place there was none (marital union) about Christ. If anything you don’t know the history of this Catholic religion. I can tell by the way you apply your reasoning here. This church has fought Protestantism and the bible for ages and even now they have not relented. The other day were discussing rapture (I wish you could drop in your two cent). I clearly outlined how the Jesuit of Rome is bent on destroying the bible by introducing the theory of rapture. I went ahead and showed how the bible is in opposition of such theology. Why would they do that? It is from this book that Martine Luther sought his arsenal and sent chill into the halls of Vatican. Biblical teaching rebuked and reproved Catholism and its evil doctrines.

>A good question is why WOULDN'T Jesus be married? God places a
>very high value on marriage and that man + woman unity, so it
>would be hypocritical for his son not to do it.

While God places a high value on married there is nowhere he also imposes it on the people. Paul in fact say that it God for a man not to marry, but because of sexual sin it better for men to marry than to burn with desire. Sin (read desire) originates from the mind (which when is idle is Satan’s workshop).

Even if Christ was married there would still be Protestants whom God has used to this date to protect his word. They would have maintained the word as it is. Humans are not greater than God. God would not even hide that. But We know clearly that Christ’s mission was not rocreate and establish himself a family but to work God’s will. ATlian I pray that God will continue to reveal his light to you through this site and eventually win you over to his side.

We have so many things said about Christ. Other poeple even go as far as saying he was gay and even say they have evidence.your argument comes as no surprise.

[ATLian]

>ATlian Don’t just utter things you don’t know,

This is as condescending as they come. Why do believers like TeeJay think that only they know about the Bible? You think just because I don't believe in your god or coz Coach believes in another god that we don't know about the Bible. Come on man, wake up and smell the coffee.

Back to the point.

About whether Christ used to drink, here's what the KJV writes in John Chapter 2:

2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

Jesus and his disciples wanted wine (which means that Jesus used to drink wine) but there was none. If you argue that he never used to drink wine, then clearly it's a contradiction, since Jesus would not have made the wine, he'd have rebuked them for wanting wine. There is no way an all-good god would provide people with an evil thing.

And NO, the wine wasn't a symbol. Not everything Christ did was symbolic, some was just basic black and white stuff. There was no wine, he and his disciples wanted wine, so he made wine. Period.

Finally, if wine is all bad or whatever, why is it drunk in his church at his altar as a Christian symbol of his blood?

About the marriage - you insist that Christ wasn't married. You rant and rave about wine, the devil, the catholic chruch, Jesuits, symbolism and all that, but you don't include an iota of evidence that can show Christ wasn't married. You've just muddied the waters with a lot of random attacks on many topics. So again I'll ask, if you say Christ wasn't married, prove it. Show me the biblical quotations which say he wasn't married or any other evidence. And "Christ's bride is the church so he couldn't have been married" or any other such Christian dogma isn't evidence.

BTW I've never heard of Christ being gay. God said that gays should be stoned to death outside the city gates, and he burned Sodom and Gomorrah down for the excessive "gayness" of their inhabitants. Going on this, there's no way Christ (who is god) could have been gay.

[ATLian]

>The New Testament does not in any way indicate that Christ
>Married and neither do all prophesies pointing towards the
>coming of the messiah in the Old Testament.

The New Testament also doesn't indicate that Christ WASN'T married. Since that was the norm those days, it makes perfect sense that he was married



>There is absolutley no eveidence of an marriage
>between Magdalen and Christ.

Again, there also isn't any evidence that they weren't married in the bible. And from what I've heard, there used to be evidence that the popes them days removed from the bible.

[teejay]

>This is as condescending as they come. Why do believers like
>TeeJay think that only they know about the Bible? You think
>just because I don't believe in your god or coz Coach believes
>in another god that we don't know about the Bible. Come on
>man, wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s in bad taste to put words especially worthless ones in another person's mouth. I did not say that biblical mastery is my preserve and mine alone. And by the way the about coffee, you forgot to put water in the coffee maker and the pungent of the coffee that was burning got me thinking about a rescue mission.

>About whether Christ used to drink, here's what the KJV writes
>in John Chapter 2:
>
>2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee;
>and the mother of Jesus was there:
>2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the
>marriage.
>2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto
>him, They have no wine.
>
>Jesus and his disciples wanted wine (which means that Jesus
>used to drink wine) but there was none. If you argue that he
>never used to drink wine, then clearly it's a contradiction,
>since Jesus would not have made the wine, he'd have rebuked
>them for wanting wine. There is no way an all-good god would
>provide people with an evil thing.

And that is precisely why I say that the making of the wine there was symbolic. And what do you? You rant about it trying in vain to reprove that which was given and written to represent its true meaning. Just try and listen to yourself for a moment. Do me a favor if not yourself. Read carefully the whole of Chapter two. Find out why Christ after being approached by His mother replies "MINE HOUR IS NOT YET COME." A statement which has not reference to the wine at all. After that compare it with my comment on it that in so saying Christ was pointing to the fact that his life on earth was in fulfillment of the plan that had existed from the days of eternity. Before He came to earth, the plan lay out before Him, perfect in all its details. But as He walked among men, He was guided, step by step, by the Father's will. He did not hesitate to act at the appointed time. With the same submission He waited until the time had come. Indeed Christ was replying to Mary’s unspoken thought,to the expectation she cherished in common with her people. She hoped that He would reveal Himself as the Messiah, and take the throne of Israel. But the time had not come. Not as a King, but as "a Man of Sorrows, and acquainted with grief," had Jesus accepted the lot of humanity.

But though Mary had not a right conception of Christ's mission, she trusted Him implicitly. To this faith Jesus responded. It was to honor Mary's trust, and to strengthen the faith of His disciples, that the first miracle was performed. The disciples were to encounter many and great temptations to unbelief. To them the prophecies had made it clear beyond all controversy that Jesus was the Messiah. They looked for the religious leaders to receive Him with confidence even greater than their own. They declared among the people the wonderful works of Christ and their own confidence in His mission, but they were amazed and bitterly disappointed by the unbelief, the deep-seated prejudice, and the enmity to Jesus, displayed by the priests and rabbis. The Saviour's early miracles strengthened the disciples to stand against this opposition.
In nowise disconcerted by the words of Jesus, Mary said to those serving at table, "Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it." Thus she did what she could to prepare the way for the work of Christ. Do you ATlian now see where the element of symbolism is coming from?
>And NO, the wine wasn't a symbol. Not everything Christ did
>was symbolic, some was just basic black and white stuff. There
>was no wine, he and his disciples wanted wine, so he made
>wine. Period.

But to you everything in the bible is just black and white. I have been here too long to see some of your arguments. Others don’t even exist. I wonder where the black and white about Christ’s marriage come from. I wonder where you read that.Don’t just utilize these most available copy/paste features of the comp. Use them with wisdom. Get that wisdom from The Lord.

>About the marriage - you insist that Christ wasn't married.
>You rant and rave about wine, the devil, the catholic chruch,
>Jesuits, symbolism and all that, but you don't include an iota
>of evidence that can show Christ wasn't married. You've just
>muddied the waters with a lot of random attacks on many
>topics.

ATlian, ATlian, ATlian calm down. And read see below who is stirring the waters muddily and madly. You God’s wisdom can really mock your school gained intelligence and humble you thoroughly.

>So again I'll ask, if you say Christ wasn't married,
>prove it. Show me the biblical quotations which say he wasn't
>married or any other evidence. And "Christ's bride is the
>church so he couldn't have been married" or any other such
>Christian dogma isn't evidence.

Now who should prove to the other the Christ was married. It is clear that in the scriptures it is not present. Even at th Cross Christ gives John the responsibility of taking care of his widowed Mother Mary. “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home” John 19: 26-27 He does not say also take care of my wife Magdalene. Magdalene was just a woman who received the Lord. Besides there were so many women who Christ came into contact with. Like Lazarus’ sisters why don’t people say He married any of these. It is just utter malice that must be called by it name- Evil. And those who spread it are agents of Satan himself.
>BTW I've never heard of Christ being gay. God said that gays
>should be stoned to death outside the city gates, and he
>burned Sodom and Gomorrah down for the excessive "gayness" of
>their inhabitants. Going on this, there's no way Christ (who
>is god) could have been gay.

Thank God that you’ve not heard coz if you did then you’d be doing everything to support it.

[TeamManager]

@ATLian

Even putting the Bible aside ...... Once again all I see is ignorance of FIRST century SECULAR and JEWISH historical writtings.




And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.