[teejay]

>In the context of us Africans.....for the last 7,000yrs, since
>the garden of eden, our african sisters only wore a small
>clothe covering the front and they walked bare chested from
>monday to sunday. Its only in the last 120yrs that most of our
>ancentors crossed over to covering the bodies fully......My
>POINT....its not the clothes that are making us immoral BUT
>rather our EVIL MINDS that corrupt.....blame goes both ways.

I dont have objection over that TM. BUt while you say you must be knowing that these are end times and satan is looking for ever little loophole to assert His influenece. HIstory has taught that when satan tempts man he meets greater success. You have said it very well. BUt i tell you that if today our sisters attempted to walk that revert to those ancient apprel practices, then you would see the velocity and vigour with which this society will pludge into immorality. While we are at that cant we credit the africa ancient wear for promoting polygamy? As any man out there why rape is on the rise. They will be quick to point on the ever diminishing skrit edge.

>If a Turkana today become a Christian ...... do we have to
>make them wear western standard clothes?

It is prudent that they cover their nakedness. You know some traditions actaully draw us farther away from God rather than bring us close to Him. You know what happened to HAM when he saw his father's nakedness at the time when Noah was drunk. The fact that He was crused by his father yet God did not intervene shows that nudity is an unpleasant practice not worth a view unless otherwise - wife husband initmacies.

>I still believe that unisex clothes dont make someone get
>'sodomy-like' behaviours but rather their evil desires.

Am damn sure the designer of unisex wear was no where near the bible at the time of that thought. His/her sole motive was business and money. Well there is an old saying that I used to recite back in my childhood that says. GOD MADE MAN, MAN MADE MONEY, MONEY MAKES MAN GO MAD. You sure do kow some of the things we do just for money. We know also that people ahev made Money their god and have very little time for God as a result

>Equality does not nesessarily mean 'same roles'.....BTW, there
>are many ladies today who are 100% more responsible than some
>fellows who think its their God given privelage to boss
>everyone and still remain 'useless in their role as providers'

I take it that you are addressing financial equality. Well women alwasy use that as the basis upon which they argue out their point on equality. But then as the society treks on, we see these women, allow me to say independent women- i dont know from what and who- pick on boyish behaviours. They become muscline in every aspect of life except for their gender. This is where the element of rebellion as pertaining to modesty is revealed. After all the "she is at the same level with the he". I often hear that "what men can do women can do better." It is true that some women display responsibilty more than some chest thumping men. But that does not mean that they, women should look down on them. If anything, God in Genesis mandated the woman to be a helper and by extention a complimenter.If the man is regarded as useless in the feminine world then who's helping the man. What we see these days is competitors rather complimenters.

>In most stores their are plain distinctions between the
>clothes......eg. women have 'ladies Jeans' & men have 'gent's
>Jean'........if a man wears ladies jeans, he is sick.

hank you for that comment. If you are out there look around and see for yourself. There are so many sick people walking the face of this earth.That is,if wearing the opposite sex's attire medically justifies that terminology(sick). And all this is in the name of fashion. BTW Haven't you seen thong's that are feminine tagged for men. The difference being just the tag. Just how far should fashion go into our minds and homes is the question that we Christian should ask ourselves. But even as we do so we should always pray that we be shown the right path. OUr obligation as christian is not to imitate the world, but to bear our crosses without a word from our lips just like like moses kept mum when the LOrd restrained him from stepping in the promised land. We should not look back to the world when the Lord has pulled us out of there. Because we will be turned into salty pillars like Mrs lot.

[mural]

i believe that all of you raise good points:-) i also think that what matters most is that ka thing in your heart called conscience.if it works on you and tells you not to wear that mini or 'hankee' then don't ... if it doesn't then God is sawa with that ....another thing is that you burn your conscience if you don,t use this truth...