[satjas]

Hey Teejay

>I beg to differ. Your inner thoughts are as important as your
>outside appearence. Your outward unveils what is from within
>your inside. Allow me to expound. If satjas for instance
>consumes edibles in form of Mangoes or any other consumables.
>It is only right to say that in the event that S/He developes
>health difficulties with his tummy then we are 100% likely to
>see his body puke out mangoes and not anything else he didn't
>take in.Apply this line of reasoning to the topic at hand.

First of all your example did no justice to your intelligence. If that were the case then we'd be eating clothes.

I shall break it down in very simple terms for you to understand.

Fundamentally there are basically four things only that we can take into our bodies

1. the air we breathe
2. the solids we eat
3. the liquids we drink
4. the knowledge/ information we take in.

Anything else cannot and will not affect our bodies as much as these four by one's own choice.

What I think about might affect the next person because it may be in conflict with the next person's thought...ever heard of negative vibes??? that's what it means. But ultimately I can act upon or change my thought.

What I wear by my own choice cannot directly affect the next person unless that person pays too much attention to what i am wearing....in which case that person does not know how to use their own time and should be more concerned with his or her own problems before looking at what i wear.

What i wear will not directly affect my thoughts but it might affect anyone who pays too much unnecessary attention to it.

If my thoughts about what i wear are tuned towards my ego or pride then there will be a severe pitfall in my thought before what i wear. My point, if i think modesty i will dress modestly.......nevertheless i may still think modesty and dress according to what I like, not what you would like to see me wear.

Thought, word, action.....that is the holy trinity.

Remember, not many of the most wicked people on this world have dressed skimpily or weirdly. Hitler was never publicly seen dressed unmodestly and so was Stalin, Pol Pot
Saddam, well...ok some exceptions there but we all know most people who destroyed humanity were always modestly dressed.

Forget about the lass who shows off her nice pair of legs on sunday, if she's got a good heart let her be....just don't look if it turns you on or learn to control your feelings aka erections.


-the paradigm shifter.......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[Coach]

TM,
It is important to have modesty and moderation in all we do and that includes dressing.

[teejay]

Satjas,
My friend Forgive me but I think you missed my point by a planet or two though some of your points about past tools of violence.Turn to the book of Mat 15:1-20 And then Mark 7:1-23.The scribes and Pharisees, expecting to see Jesus at the Passover, had laid a trap for Him. But Jesus, knowing their purpose, had absented Himself from this gathering.... "Then came together unto Him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes..." As He did not go to them, they came to Him. For a time it had seemed that the people of Galilee would receive Jesus as the Messiah, and that the power of the hierarchy in that region would be broken.The mission of the twelve, indicating the extension of Christ's work, and bringing the disciples more directly into conflict with the rabbis, had excited anew the jealousy of the leaders at Jerusalem. The spies they sent to Capernaum in the early part of His ministry, who had tried to fix on Him the charge of Sabbathbreaking, had been put to confusion; but the rabbis were bent on carrying out their purpose. Now another deputation was sent to watch His movements, and find some accusation against Him.

The ground of complaint was His disregard of the traditional precepts that encumbered the law of God. These were professedly designed to guard the observance of the law, but they were regarded as more sacred than the law itself. When they came in collision with the commandments given from Sinai, preference was given to the rabbinical precepts.Among the observances most strenuously enforced was that of ceremonial purification. A neglect of the forms to be observed before eating was accounted a heinous sin, to be punished both in this world and in the next and it was regarded as a virtue to destroy the transgressor.

Christ and His disciples did not observe these ceremonial washings, and the spies made this neglect the ground of their accusation. They did not, however, make a direct attack on Christ, but came to Him with criticism of His disciples. In the presence of the multitude they said, "Why do Thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread."

Jesus made no attempt to defend Himself or His disciples. He made no reference to the charges against Him, but proceeded to show the spirit that actuated these sticklers for human rites. He gave them an example of what they were repeatedly doing, and had done just before coming in search of Him.....

"Full well ye reject the commandment of God," He said, "that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death, but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother...."

They set aside the fifth commandment as of no consequence, but were very exact in carrying out the traditions of the elders. They taught the people that the devotion of their property to the temple was a duty more sacred than even the support of their parents,and that, however great the necessity, it was sacrilege to impart to father or mother any part of what had been thus consecrated. An undutiful child had only to pronounce the word "Corban" over his property, thus devoting it to God, and he could retain it for his own use during his lifetime, and after his death it was to be appropriated to the temple service. Thus he was at liberty, both in life and in death, to dishonor and defraud his parents, under cover of a pretended devotion to God.

Never, by word or deed, did Jesus lessen man's obligation to present gifts and offerings to God. It was Christ who gave all the directions of the law in regard to tithes and offerings. When on earth He commended the poor woman who gave her all to the temple treasury. But the apparent zeal for God on the part of the priests and rabbis was a pretense to cover their desire for self-aggrandizement. The people were deceived by them. They were bearing heavy burdens which God had not imposed. Even the disciples of Christ were not wholly free from the yoke that had been bound upon them by inherited prejudice and rabbinical authority. Now, by revealing the true spirit of the rabbis, Jesus sought to free from the bondage of tradition all who were really desirous of serving God....

"Ye hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Isaiah's prophesy of you, saying, "This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.".....

The words of Christ were an arraignment of the whole system of Pharisaism. He declared that by placing their requirements above the divine precepts the rabbis were setting themselves above God.To the multitude, and afterward more fully to His disciples, JESUS EXPLAINED THAT DEFILEMENT COMES NOT FROM WITHOUT, BUT FROM WITHIN. PURITY AND IMPURITY PERTAIN TO THE SOUL. IT IS THE EVIL DEED, THE EVIL WORD, THE EVIL THOUGHT, THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW OF GOD, not the neglect of external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man...Satjas it may be well for you to note this point carefully.I notice that you were talking about thoughts.

SOME PROFESSED CHRISTIANS SPEND HOURS THAT ARE WORSE THAN THROWN AWAY, IN STUDYING THIS OR THAT FASHION TO DECORATE THE POOR, MORTAL BODY. WHILE THEY MAKE THEMSELVES APPEAR LIKE THE WORLD, AND AS BEAUTIFUL AS THEY CAN, THEY MUST REMEMBER THAT THE SAME BODY MAY IN A FEW DAYS BE FOOD FOR WORMS. AND WHILE THEY ADORN IT TO THEIR TASTE, TO PLEASE THE EYE, THEY ARE DYING SPIRITUALLY. THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE IS AN INDEX TO THE HEART. WHEN THE EXTERIOR IS HUNG WITH RIBBONS, COLLARS, AND NEEDLESS THINGS, IT PLAINLY SHOWS THAT THE LOVE FOR ALL THIS IS IN THE HEART, UNLESS SUCH PERSONS ARE CLEANSED FROM THEIR CORRUPTION, THEY CAN NEVER SEE GOD, FOR ONLY THE PURE IN HEART WILL SEE HIM.

Even so the dress question is not to be our present truth. To create an issue on this point now would please the enemy(Satan). He would be delighted to have minds diverted to any subject by which he might create division of sentiment, and lead our people into controversy.

WE Christinas(Those who accept the cross)should threfore dress with simplicity. They should clothe themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety. Give to the world a living illustration of the inward adorning of the grace of God.We should place ourselves under the discipline of the living oracles of God, subjecting the mind to influences which form the character aright.

[y5next]

Did anyone understand ANYTHING spairo said?




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[satjas]

Hey teejay

>disciples, JESUS EXPLAINED THAT DEFILEMENT COMES NOT FROM
>WITHOUT, BUT FROM WITHIN. PURITY AND IMPURITY PERTAIN TO THE
>SOUL. IT IS THE EVIL DEED, THE EVIL WORD, THE EVIL THOUGHT,
>THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW OF GOD, not the neglect of
>external, man-made ceremonies, that defiles a man...Satjas it
>may be well for you to note this point carefully.I notice that
>you were talking about thoughts.

I keep telling you guys that very thing that you end up missing......if you don't go within you go without. If you don't go looking for God within yourself you'll end up going with out ( outside your self) to find God. Unfortunately the majority of this world go without i.e search out side of themselves.
And hey dude...there ain't nothing like the law of God...what law is this???


>SOME PROFESSED CHRISTIANS SPEND HOURS THAT ARE WORSE THAN
>THROWN AWAY, IN STUDYING THIS OR THAT FASHION TO DECORATE THE
>POOR, MORTAL BODY. WHILE THEY MAKE THEMSELVES APPEAR LIKE THE
>WORLD, AND AS BEAUTIFUL AS THEY CAN, THEY MUST REMEMBER THAT
>THE SAME BODY MAY IN A FEW DAYS BE FOOD FOR WORMS. AND WHILE
>THEY ADORN IT TO THEIR TASTE, TO PLEASE THE EYE, THEY ARE
>DYING SPIRITUALLY. THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE IS AN INDEX TO THE
>HEART. WHEN THE EXTERIOR IS HUNG WITH RIBBONS, COLLARS, AND
>NEEDLESS THINGS, IT PLAINLY SHOWS THAT THE LOVE FOR ALL THIS
>IS IN THE HEART, UNLESS SUCH PERSONS ARE CLEANSED FROM THEIR
>CORRUPTION, THEY CAN NEVER SEE GOD, FOR ONLY THE PURE IN HEART
>WILL SEE HIM.

By that argument, if they wore less ribbons, collars etc they would have less love for all this in their heart. Hence it would be prudent to add that wearing less proves more love for other things, eg God. Why then for God's sakes do you have a problem with how people dress???? If they dress more you have a problem if they dress less you have a problem........why not seek to purify their hearts regardless of what they wear????


>Even so the dress question is not to be our present truth. To
>create an issue on this point now would please the
>enemy(Satan). He would be delighted to have minds diverted to
>any subject by which he might create division of sentiment,
>and lead our people into controversy.

I have no enemy like Satan. God has no enemy. A God of love would not have an iota of hatred for anything or anyone. By creating Satan you have made an equal and opposite force to God, yet you know there is none other than the One That Is All There Is.


>WE Christinas(Those who accept the cross)should threfore dress
>with simplicity. They should clothe themselves in modest
>apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety. Give to the world a
>living illustration of the inward adorning of the grace of
>God.We should place ourselves under the discipline of the
>living oracles of God, subjecting the mind to influences which
>form the character aright.

There you go mocking God again! Are you saying that this Body that God created for everyone is something we should be ashamed of??? Are you ashamed of your body teejay? What we wear is just something that society has agreed (over a period of time ) conforms to our ideas of modesty. God wouldn't care less if we wore clothes or not......that is what is called loving someone unconditionally.

Simplicity is complex......many people do not understand people who are simple.

Teejay, if you have doubts about what i say ask God.....truly deeply ask God....will get the same replies I have mentioned here.....the oracle of truth....... is infallible.

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.

[teejay]

>I keep telling you guys that very thing that you end up
>missing......if you don't go within you go without. If you
>don't go looking for God within yourself you'll end up going
>with out ( outside your self) to find God. Unfortunately the
>majority of this world go without i.e search out side of
>themselves.
> And hey dude...there ain't nothing like the law of God...what
>law is this???

Are You sure of that- nothing like the law of God? If so then you must be reading from a different script.

>By that argument, if they wore less ribbons, collars etc they
>would have less love for all this in their heart. Hence it
>would be prudent to add that wearing less proves more love for
>other things, eg God. Why then for God's sakes do you have a
>problem with how people dress???? If they dress more you have
>a problem if they dress less you have a problem........why not
>seek to purify their hearts regardless of what they wear????

You are asking me to repeat myself. Am not talking in parables.Anybody can see that. Read me understand me then put forth your opinion.

>I have no enemy like Satan. God has no enemy. A God of love
>would not have an iota of hatred for anything or anyone. By
>creating Satan you have made an equal and opposite force to
>God, yet you know there is none other than the One That Is All
>There Is.

You like quoting things out of context and making them more complex while my texts are very plain and easy to understand. I wish you a very good relationship with Satan. Really I have no other way of putting.

>There you go mocking God again! Are you saying that this Body
>that God created for everyone is something we should be
>ashamed of??? Are you ashamed of your body teejay? What we
>wear is just something that society has agreed (over a period
>of time ) conforms to our ideas of modesty. God wouldn't care
>less if we wore clothes or not......that is what is called
>loving someone unconditionally.

I think you are going Mad or you juts dont like reading. Am not juts about to spoonfeed you either. Read Genesis and find out what God did to man after the sin.

>Simplicity is complex......many people do not understand
>people who are simple.

Wrong!Simple is simple otherwise we won't call it simple if it were complex.

>Teejay, if you have doubts about what i say ask God.....truly
>deeply ask God....will get the same replies I have mentioned
>here...

The only thin am going to ask God about is for his truth to be revealed to you in its full glory and grace.

>..the oracle of truth....... is infallible.

God is infallible. And his word is infallible

[Jibril Cessay]

I kumbuka not too long ago when Spring started, every mama in church had a mini. One chick took it a step further and sat at the very first seat near the pulpit. The pastor didn't look particular impressed by her antics.

http://www.funbunnygoodies.btinterne...miniblack3.jpg

http://www.garfnet.org.uk/new_mill/a...pegs/micro.jpg

http://k43.pbase.com/u39/peterfree/u...45.Lucie01.jpg

http://mikuna.image.pbase.com/u41/pe...nsandthong.jpg

I think, I'd feel uncomfortable being in church and the mamaz around me always had micro-mini's and thongs. Once or twice ni sawa. U have the freedom to do as u please. Lakini, there is a place for everything. When I fika church, I want to connect on a more spiritual level with fellow Christians. I don't want my eyes to be constantly bombarded with temptations. Maybe after service, I'll go check out a sister and see if she is as fine as the dress she undauntedly wore.

[doc132]

ahhh, you have reminded me a church i went to in Ngong. this mama came late to church and sat at the front bench. she was wearing a mini. so the paster was preaching, but he got destructed by her legs, he was always looking at them. he was soo uncomfortable that he started sweating.

he got his handkerchief from his pocket and kept wiping the sweat from his brow. halafu at one time the chick spread her legs. i think she was looking for some donation money from her hand bag. paster akagundua amevaa thong. si jamaa aliwika. infront of the church. to cover it up, he said the "holy spirit'' had touched him.

so women who love minis and micro-minis, spare the pasters by not sitting at the front row.

[teejay]

JB and Doc,you two really sent me giggling all over the place with the stories of the poor pastors. I however wish to add on to your worthwhile points.

Sexual immorality is progressing at an alarming rate, and part of this can be attributed to immodest fashions. Since women are the ones who mostly idolize fashion allow me to say that Satan has virtually destroyed that inherent modesty with which God endowed women. Women have thrown off moral restraints including modest clothing under current fashion trends. Nudity and provocative dress are the accepted norm. But As I was doing a small assignment on this issue I actually came across a statement worth noting here.

In this statement I saw Satan sitting at the apex of arrogance. In pp 31,32 of Crews Mary Quant, the originator of mini skirts actually asserted boldly in her own words, “MINICLOTHES ARE SYMBOLIC OF THOSE GIRLS WHO WANT TO SEDUCE MAN.” By this statement we can see that as a woman’s dress inches above the knees, it becomes a temptation for men. A Christina woman should not, nay, I say must not share in this kind of enticement.

There is also the subject of more fashions that contribute to the downward trend of morals. Unisex clothing is one such category. Unisex dress stores, boutiques, and hair salons readily offer unisex clothes and hairstyles for both men and women. More often than not this clothes and hairstyles are so similar that one can barely differentiate between two sexes walking on the sidewalk. There are dangers to this kind of trend. The bible firmly condemns sodomy as an abomination. Canaan the promised land for the Children of Israel practiced sodomy, God instructed them (Israelites) about how to dress warning them against practices which could lure them into sin. Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. This was also a safeguard for their families. In today’s world sodomy had gained enormous applause especially from the media asserting how proudly the is has come out the closet to demand right. Transvestitism (opposite genders dressing each other’s likes) is being tolerated. Costumes that contain so much that is borrowed from the other sex are readily available.

Unisexism has gained popularity due to another reason. It promotes equality between men and women. In “Historic Costume,” Katherine Lester wrote, “ This trend termed unisex went with the move towards sexual and economic equality of men and women and with the blurring of the traditional male and female roles in society. Men and women today seek fulfillment by assuming roles that God never intended for them. The result of this rebellion is gender confusion which unisex fashion has contributed.

God designed that there should be a plain distinction between men’s and women’s dress. The same dress worn by both sexes would actually cause confusion. It is Satan with his confederacy of evil that attempts to pervert and destroy the natural gender roles that God created.

[TeamManager]

>Sexual immorality is progressing at an alarming rate, and
>part of this can be attributed to immodest fashions.

This is true....but

>Since women are the ones who mostly idolize fashion allow me
>to say that Satan has virtually destroyed that inherent
>modesty with which God endowed women.

In the context of us Africans.....for the last 7,000yrs, since the garden of eden, our african sisters only wore a small clothe covering the front and they walked bare chested from monday to sunday. Its only in the last 120yrs that most of our ancentors crossed over to covering the bodies fully......My POINT....its not the clothes that are making us immoral BUT rather our EVIL MINDS that corrupt.....blame goes both ways.

If a Turkana today become a Christian ...... do we have to make them wear western standard clothes?

>There is also the subject of more fashions that contribute to
>the downward trend of morals. Unisex clothing is one such
>category.

I still believe that unisex clothes dont make someone get 'sodomy-like' behaviours but rather their evil desires.

>Unisexism has gained popularity due to another reason. It
>promotes equality between men and women.
>Men and women today seek fulfillment by assuming roles that
>God never intended for them.

Equality does not nesessarily mean 'same roles'.....BTW, there are many ladies today who are 100% more responsible than some fellows who think its their God given privelage to boss everyone and still remain 'useless in their role as providers'

>God designed that there should be a plain distinction between
>men’s and women’s dress. The same dress worn by both sexes
>would actually cause confusion. It is Satan with his
>confederacy of evil that attempts to pervert and destroy the
>natural gender roles that God created.

In most stores their are plain distinctions between the clothes......eg. women have 'ladies Jeans' & men have 'gent's Jean'........if a man wears ladies jeans, he is sick.