[kombamwiko]

I am not a christian but perhaps an AETHIST.however,i have come across new evidence ,or rather a new point of view that Jesus christ could have been God.
i will NOT mention any miracle that jesus is claimed to have done because whether or not miracles can happen is subject to discussion.
jesus perfomed several@acts (not miracles) that are surprisingly intelligent/too insightful for them to have been done by a human being.

1. this is before jesus was famous,before he had begun his ministry.jesus is walking down a road,sees 2 pple fishing,but they DO NOT catch any fish.after some observation,he approaches the strangers and tells them to cast the net again,for this time they will catch fish.they do so and catch numerous fish.he then tells them to leave everything and folow him and he will make them fishers of men.and they follow him and he gets 2 disciples.
think about it.how did Jesus know that if he tells them this and that ,these 2 will become his disciples??how many people on earth can do this??can u go out to the street,approach 2 strangers and tell the to leave their jobs and come and follow you??honestly who are you?if you are a company president like bill gates and pple have read about you and recognize you then they might folow you.but a nobody??

2.after Jesus "healed" a blind man,he told him " go and do not tell anyone about it".(i put healed in brackets coz its a miracle)
I asked myself severally why jesus would perform a miracle and then forbid the person from telling others about it.i mean if pple would hear about it it would be to his advantage.then i saw someone tell her children do not do something,and they went right ahead and did it.the more u forbid someone from something ,they more they go ahead and do it.could Jesus have really wanted the man to tell many more about Him??coz this man went about saying what Christ had done to anyone who would hear.isnt this great insight on Jesus part as to human nature?

3.How many times have you tried persuading someone to do something but they refused even though you offer him impeccable logic?like say your mother that ABC is better than EFG but they dont listen??look at how jesus persuaded several pple.is it easy to persuade??notice his use of parables.he knows if he says to you"God will forgive you no matter what"you wont understand.but if he gives a story about say a prodigal son,who smeared his fathers face with dirt ,but his fathe forgave him even bfore he asked for it,then maybe you will understand his message.


4.no man before him had ever become as famous as jesus.no man after him has achieved what he achieved in influening others.napoleon the great,hitler,einstein,newton,,these are great men,but Jesus is much more widely known than they!!!

5.the pharisees would set verbal traps for him but he would know them and escape evrytime.like when they ask him"by whise authority he does this things",he answers them nicly.check ur bibles.
how many pple are this smart??honestly speaking??


there several other examples which i wont expound on.what am saying is jesus knew toooo much about human nature foer him to have been merely human.he knew toooo well what strings to pull to get u to do stuff.like he knew EXACTLY what u were thinking.

who knows ,,maybe he never even told us the truth about everything.maybe there is NO heaven and hell but that God saw men will not live in harmony together if he dont provide them with some rules.so he gave us a rewards and punishment thing.remember pavlov?and his dogs??for us the electric shock(hell) is set for the furture or in our minds and imagination.

however i have to give someone his due.this guy knew too much about man for him to have been a mere man.
what are your opinions??

[Zelda]

interesting point of view.
here's my take:

-it is interesting that you consider miracles as being subject to discussion, but you readily consider the biblical text legit enough to merit your analysis of jesus. if it is possible to question the miracles, then why not also question that he talked to the people that he talked to and asked them to follow him?

-there are intelligent human beings out there with the ability to do things we would call 'supernatural' in our day and age. some call them witches, others call them psychics, yet others call them devil worshippers. the list is endless. i have a sneaking suspicion that if jesus was to rudi today, and to do exactly what he did all those years ago, most ppl would think him unstable and dangerous, including his own followers. in the world that I live in, today, there are ppl with abilities that supercede my understanding. but I don’t elevate them to gods. why is that the case?

-your fourth point, that no man before jesus has ever been as famous or influential is interesting. of course, i can’t say it is wrong. it may very well be the case. but how on earth does someone prove it? remember, jesus influence stretches across roughly the past 2000 yrs. mainly in asia minor and in europe. the influence in africa, south america, and the outgrowths into east asia and the pacific and atlantic have been more recent. and note also that human existence on this earth has been documented many millennia back. all this stuff, for example, was already going on in the 10th millennium BC: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...illennium%20BC
how can you be sure that there weren’t men or women with great abilities or influence whose fame spread through the continents long before jesus? just because we have not been told so does not mean that it wasn’t the case.

-i’m especially cautious about broad generalizations being applied to humankind as a whole. in the past, the so-called great philosophers have been guilty of making statements that are really only true for their own regional European cultures, or belief systems, and applying them to the rest of the world. even when they have never stepped outside their own countries. in the present day, some religious groups’ spokespeople speak in such broad universal terms about how influential/ widespread their beliefs are, or about the meaning of christ to people in laos or cambodia or wherever. but u know what? they might be wrong. once you step outside your comfort zone, and go into some other place where noone has ever heard of the god you worship, so many disturbing questions start to come to mind.

-i think that something crucial about today’s major religions is that their “founders’” lives were recorded in writing. that has played a very significant role in keeping those religions alive, and in keeping the names of their prophets, gods etc relevant to ppl in our times. so many pre-literate societies had myths of creation, and legends about great heroes and heroines, whom they sometimes elevated to the status of gods. they also had stories of prophets and seers. and perhaps the names of some of these people were once widely known in different languages. but the memories have faded. there have been no scribes to immortalize them in writing, and no military might to facilitate their spread.

-so my take on jesus: if he existed, and if that which is recorded in the bible is true, he was an extraordinary human.

[kombamwiko]

>-it is interesting that you consider miracles as being subject
>to discussion, but you readily consider the biblical text
>legit enough to merit your analysis of jesus. if it is
>possible to question the miracles, then why not also question
>that he talked to the people that he talked to and asked them
>to follow him?


i havent witnessed an obvious miracle,but i have witnsessed someone talking to another.talking is an act that happens a lot so it is believable that it happened.

and also like i said the bible may not be 100 percnt accurate.but we cannot say alll that is written about jesus is a lie.there is usually some truth even in rumours.that is why i have eliminated the miracles as possible exaggerations and limited myself to NORMAL stuff that jesus said.



>-there are intelligent human beings out there with the ability
>to do things we would call 'supernatural' in our day and age.
>some call them witches, others call them psychics, yet others
>call them devil worshippers. the list is endless. i have a
>sneaking suspicion that if jesus was to rudi today, and to do
>exactly what he did all those years ago, most ppl would think
>him unstable and dangerous, including his own followers. in
>the world that I live in, today, there are ppl with abilities
>that supercede my understanding. but I don’t elevate them to
>gods. why is that the case?

i have never seen a pschic perform any of his "magic".i only HEAR claims.

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>.....
>-so my take on jesus: if he existed, and if that which is
>recorded in the bible is true, he was an extraordinary human.

i agree.he was an extraordinay human IF he was human.my take is he was SOO extraordinary,,that he simply had to be God.
IF he was a mere human ,,how come in alllll this time not ONE person has come close to achieving his feats?????