[TeamManager]

@ATLian

I found your comments rather ammusing cause:-

How do you use God in your agruement when at the same time you choose to disbelieve His existance.

I still don't know whether you are for or against the horoscope stuff from your agruement.


All I can say is 'please re-check the context of the verse. How is speaking to who? BTW in my place their is a faculty of religious studies and just imagine the dean of the faculty does not believe in 99% of the religions being taught.

[satjas]

Hey TM

Perhaps for clarities sake you may want to explain what your definition of witchcraft is cos you never know some of us might be already practising it unknowingly.

-the paradigm shifter



The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[ATLian]

>How do you use God in your agruement when at the same time you
>choose to disbelieve His existance.

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean that you can't argue about it e.g. you are always arguing with Coach about Allah, or you will argue against the Big Bang and any other theory of how we came about other than creation, yet you don't believe in them. I'm sure you don't believe in the Incredible Hulk or Spiderman, but based on those comic books, you can argue that the Hulk would pound the pulp out of spiderman in a straight-up fight. So I argue about god based on what you people claim god to be. e.g. If you claim that he's all good, then I'll come up with scenarios from your bible which show that this god cannot be all good. etc.



>I still don't know whether you are for or against the
>horoscope stuff from your agruement.

I don't care about horoscopes, I just think it's a load of crap for the gullible ones to fall for. I also don't believe in soothsaying, witchcraft, etc. I was just pointing out to you the irony of saying god is against all those things when one of his holiest men was the chief soothsayer of all of Babylon, and his gift of soothsaying and intepreting dreams came directly from god.

[Zelda]

@ TM, yes, the 'she' would be wisdom.

what i found interesting was the connection made by our good friend who started that post. it's rather curious that idiom linked to fortune-telling/ astrology is used in a positive connotation in the bible. does it mean anything? i don't really care. is it interesting? yes.

[Coach]

ATLian,

>Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean that
>you can't argue about it e.g. you are always arguing with
>Coach about Allah, or you will argue against the Big Bang and
>any other theory of how we came about other than creation, yet
>you don't believe in them.


I know it is tempting to lump islam and Christianity together but Muslims don't reject the Big Bang theory. This is what the Qur'an says about the beginning...

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE?" (Qur'an Chapter 21 Verse 30)


Muslims also (like physicists since Hubble's discovery in the early 20th century) believe in the expanding universe...

"AND IT IS WE WHO HAVE CONSTRUCTED THE HEAVEN WITH MIGHT, AND VERILY, IT IS WE WHO ARE STEADILY EXPANDING IT." (Qur'an Chapter 51 Verse 47)

[TeamManager]

>>How do you use God in your agruement when at the same
>>time you choose to disbelieve His existance.

>Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean
>that you can't argue about it e.g. you are always >arguing with Coach about Allah

@ATLian
Looks like you did not get my arguement. Let me try and explain my thought line.
Suppose I say that ...... 'how rich is a kenyan is' is a function of their 'their hardwork', 'how corrupt they are', 'God's blessings', 'luck', 'education' etc etc ....... BUT you say that 'God's blessings' does not exist, then in our discussion on 'WEALTH' you can not bring up an arguement that ....''God is unfair cause he only love Israel''...... coming from someone who doesn't believe in God it sounds rediculous to me.
BUT if we were discussing about 'GOD', then you are free to bring out any idea about God.
Hope my explaination helps.


About Allah ..... I believe that Allah exists but only in the form he was existed pre-mohammed, his prophet i.e. as an IDOL. Allah was always one of the many idols being worshipped by arabs until mohammed appeared into the scene and declared the koran. By the way, Mohammed is not the only fellow to receive communication from an 'angle of light', ask mormons

[Coach]

TM,

>About Allah ..... I believe that Allah exists but only in the
>form he was existed pre-mohammed, his prophet i.e. as an IDOL.
>Allah was always one of the many idols being worshipped by
>arabs until mohammed appeared into the scene and declared the
>koran. By the way, Mohammed is not the only fellow to receive
>communication from an 'angle of light', ask mormons


Very typical of you. I post a verse that has relevance to what ATLian said and you jump on to another issue altogether. Didn't we discuss this issue sometime back when I told you about the history of the Ka'ba and aspects of the religion of Abraham PBUH that was followed by the pre-Islamic polytheists of Mecca? Didn't I explain that the polytheists of Mecca knew of a Superior Being they referrd to as Allah and that they deviated, became polytheistic and prayed to idols they called the daughter of Allah etc?

What did the Jews do when Moses PBUH went up Mount Sinai to recieve the Ten Commandments? Didn't they start worshipping a golden calf and become corrupt despite them being told about God? Do you see me claiming that the Jews and Christians actually worship calfs? This is how ridiculous your claim is!