[TeamManager]

The greatest thinking anyone could do is to think about God, i.e. the true nature and Character of God. What you think about God will directly affect how you live. The sad thing is that too many people have too small a concept of God, an inadequate view of God.
God has given us the Bible to reveal to us concerning his nature and character. God reveals to us how we can know Him.

God is spirit- with a life and personality
God is living and not merely an impersonal force. Only a personality can love.
God is self-existent- He is unique from man and therefore can not be described/labelled the way you would a man.
God is immutable- He does not change.
God is Omnipotent
God is Ominipresent
God is Omniscient
God is Transcendent- He is detached from all His creation as an independent, self-existing being. God is actively concerned and involved with His creation.
God is Sovereign.
God is Holy
God is Love
God is Truth.

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

[satjas]

Hey TM,

i have been waiting for you to bring this up....i am patient.....first let me tell you about my religion since you asked me about this in another post......and you will only have to trust me on this......my religion is my God.....i do not have a set of beliefs just a common sense and logical approach to life. I have looked and researched for the truth but blindly lead myself to a dead alley everytime....talk of the blind leading the blind. So i resigned to the idea that the only thing that held true for me at all times was a subconscious acknowledgement of a controlling power stronger than myself........for example using the atheists approach i thought i could stop breathing or have total control over other bodily functions.......my body was what i truly had all my life....so i knew it better than anyone else....or so i thought at that time. However i was unable to tangibly control even the simplest of actions however hard i used my mind. Soon i discovered death and what it could do to tear people apart. How could this body loose all its functions when all the body was made up of still existed? How could a person be alive one minute and 'dead' the next? Surely some aspect of themselves had detached itself from the body?

What i'm telling you is all true, its upto you to believe what i say or not. However question everything i say and understand it fully to appreciate yourselves.

I will continue.....this aspect that detached itself from the body could either now be gone forever, destroyed or in a foreign place that i could not comprehend. Yet how could we still remember the person when they were dead? Why did they not take their memories with them? What was the connection we still had? Was it just a thought? an idea? a memory? Surely this 'idea' of memories must be existing somewhere??

That took me back to what i held constantly true in my subconscious about the existence of a power within which all that i could see and all i could think of existed. This constant is now called God. So i searched within myself for i knew then that that 'Constant' was always in my subconscious......how could i realize this Power in a conscious state? All i had to do was ask God.....and i got my answers.....what i am telling you now.

I am going to let you absorb this for a while.....while i reply to your comments.

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

[satjas]

hey TM.

This is an important topic you have brought up.....there are very many misconceptions about God, some of which you have held true for years and will find it extremely difficult to accept to change. I will be gentle in my explanations.


>The greatest thinking anyone could do is to think about God,
>i.e. the true nature and Character of God. What you think
>about God will directly affect how you live.

Instead let us try to replace the 'I' with an 'A' and say thank and not think.....a thought only remains that unless an action takes place. You can know you are good but will only experience good when you perform an act of goodness. Thank God and this will directly affect how you live. Think about God, thank God and try to be like God....what is wrong in trying to be Good??

>The sad thing is
>that too many people have too small a concept of God, an
>inadequate view of God.

I only wish sometimes my dear TM that you could fully understand exactly what you write. Let me give you an example....one small concept about God is that God punishes people for sin. That is an inadequate view about God for God cannot create something just to punish it. It does not happen. God is too full of love to raise a hand.

>God has given us the Bible to reveal to us concerning his
>nature and character. God reveals to us how we can know Him.

Here is another misconception....have you ever thought that other groups are saying the same thing about the Kooran, the Torah, the Bhagvan-Gita, the other versions of the Bible? Saying the Bible is the first book is the oldest trick in the book...literally. God reveals Himself to us through our honest feelings, our innnermost feelings, the ones you cannot lie to yourself about. If you listen to your feelings and act on those you will come closer to awareness.....self awareness.

>God is spirit- with a life and personality

God is everything....the spirit and the hard rock all come from the same stuff that Is All There Is, God. The basic composition is all the same....atoms, electrons, neutrons. They only resonate at different frequencies.

>God is living and not merely an impersonal force. Only a
>personality can love.

A living thing never remains the same every moment, it changes every second, a change will always involve a force. And any force is capable of expressing love.

>God is self-existent- He is unique from man and therefore can
>not be described/labelled the way you would a man.

God is self existent but man is unique from God in that man does not realize that he is part of the God that created him/her/everything. God knows everything is part of God.


>God is immutable- He does not change.

OOOPS!!! A thing that is living always changes....God is not Dead therefore God changes...God's ideas may not change but God certainly does.

>God is Omnipotent

Anything with a great power which is what omnnipotent means is capable of anything.... even sending another 'prophet'?? or communicating with you on this computer? you may be talking to God for all you know!!!! Do you doubt that???

>God is Ominipresent
>God is Omniscient

Something that is all knowing and present everywhere does not need to test anyone for It already knows the answers.....and for It to be everywhere means we are also part of It.

>God is Transcendent- He is detached from all His creation as
>an independent, self-existing being. God is actively concerned
>and involved with His creation.

One cannot be EVERYWHERE and yet be detached from being EVERYWHERE....that is simply not possible.....perhaps this is a case of role-reversal because man feels detached from what man creates, God doesn't since God is everywhere.

>God is Sovereign.
>God is Holy

I can agree with these.

>God is Love
>God is Truth.

God, love, truth, and freedom are all interchangeable words..try it practically in your daily life. if you don't try you will never know.


>But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we
>were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been
>justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from
>God's wrath through him!

Ok now this is where you cock-up!!! Since when was love demonstrated through wrath???
we are not sinners...we have simply forgotten Who We Are........which is that We Are One.
Your last statement makes a mockery of all you've written above. But perhaps you may not realize this until you get that log out of your eye!!!! Have fun trying!!!

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.


The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[TeamManager]

>Surely some aspect of themselves
>had detached itself from the body?

I followed you line of think until here. Yes, life is more than just the physical body. There are numerous things apart from tangible things that we can't control.
But I got lost when you started talking about the 'memorises' of a third-person. Surely the foundation of life is more than memories. Do you lose life when you lose your memory (despite it being extremely important)

My friend, surely a God who created the universe by his spoken word is much greater than what you make him to be.

>......how could i realize this Power in a
>conscious state? All i had to do was ask God.....and i
>got my answers.....what i am telling you now.

I am interested in knowing more information/details concerning your communication with 'God'.

[TeamManager]

@satjas

>Thank God and this will directly affect how you live.
>Think about God, thank God and try to be like >God....what is wrong in trying to be Good??

Nothing wrong in trying to be good but trying to be God is a totally different ballgame.

PS. I meant have a thinking of God that is pro-active i.e a thinking that affects ones life.

>>The sad thing is that too many people have too small a
>>concept of God, an inadequate view of God.
>
>I only wish sometimes my dear TM that you could fully
>understand exactly what you write. Let me give you an
>example....one small concept about God is that God >punishes people for sin. That is an inadequate view >about God for God cannot create something just to punish >it. It does not happen. God is too full of love to raise >a hand.

God is full of love BUT he is also a Just God. Bwana Satjas, I too love my kids and because I love them I have to punish/discipline them ones in a while. Otherwise they will end up as spoiled brats unfit to mix with society.


>>God has given us the Bible to reveal to us concerning his nature and character. God reveals to us how we can know Him.
>
>Here is another misconception....have you ever thought that
>other groups are saying the same thing about the Kooran, the
>Torah, the Bhagvan-Gita, the other versions of the Bible?

The point is that when you look at how all the people describe God you will realise that they worship totally different deities.


>Saying the Bible is the first book is the oldest trick
>in the >book...literally. God reveals Himself to us >through our honest >feelings, our innnermost feelings,
>the ones you cannot lie to >yourself about.

The human heart is desparately evil and sometimes can shock you what it can desire or do. 'Self-awareness' is just a way to escape reality.

>God is everything....
Little by little I am starting to understand your god.

My God has a name and he knows me and everything about me. My God is much greater than his creation.

>A living thing never remains the same every moment, it >changes every second, a change will always involve a
>force.

Are you taking about a created thing or the creator. God is not man and therefore can not be decribed as a man. You remind me the story of the wise barnacle that was sitting down the bottom of the ocean attached to his rock. One day in a strange way he got a glimpse of what man was like. He then explained to his fellow barnacles that 'man had no shell, man is not attached to a rock, and man is not surrounded by water'. The other barnacles then rationalized that since man had no shell, he must be a shapeless jelly. Since he is not attached to a rock, obviously he has no location. Since he is not surrounded by water, he did not eat.
My point is limited to a finite 3D naturalistic worldview, we will have an extrapolated extremely limited waped concept of God. Man can not know what God is like unless God chooses to personally revela himself. We can be now be thankful for Jesus and the Bible.


>And any force is capable of expressing love.

Is this for real.

>OOOPS!!! A thing that is living always changes....God is not
>Dead therefore God changes...God's ideas may not change but
>God certainly does.

I the Lord do not change Mal 3:6

>Anything with a great power which is what omnnipotent means is
>capable of anything.... even sending another 'prophet'?? or
>communicating with you on this computer? you may be talking to
>God for all you know!!!! Do you doubt that???

My friend, from the day I realised that I was a Sinner and I gave my life to God through Jesus Christ, He has been a good father. I know the voice of the spheherd.




>One cannot be EVERYWHERE and yet be detached from being
>EVERYWHERE....that is simply not possible.....perhaps this is
>a case of role-reversal because man feels detached from what
>man creates, God doesn't since God is everywhere.

Your God is too small. Atleast you can acknowlegde that my God and yours are different then.


>God, love, truth, and freedom are all interchangeable
>words..try it practically in your daily life. if you don't try
>you will never know.

1+1=2 is True. But neither is 1 or 2 God.


>Ok now this is where you cock-up!!! Since when was love
>demonstrated through wrath???
Guess you forgot to read the 'how much more' part

>we are not sinners...we have simply forgotten Who We
>Are........which is that We Are One.

Is this for real?


PS. Have a nice February. I am going back to kenya for holidays and therefore I will be extremely rare in mashada.

[TeamManager]

@satjas,

Just for my information, Whats you defination of God, Jesus, Christ, Bible, Salvation, After death- what next, the World.

[satjas]

Hey TM

>Nothing wrong in trying to be good but trying to be God is a
>totally different ballgame.
>PS. I meant have a thinking of God that is pro-active i.e a
>thinking that affects ones life.

Trying to be LIKE God is not the same as trying to be God, please get the subtle difference.

>God is full of love BUT he is also a Just God. Bwana Satjas, I
>too love my kids and because I love them I have to
>punish/discipline them ones in a while. Otherwise they will
>end up as spoiled brats unfit to mix with society.

True Love never never never ever Hits or chastises someone with any kind of punishment. I'm afraid that by punishing your kids you will only be propagating the cycle because when they grow up they will do the same. The idea is to talk/ communicate and understand your children. Society is already so messed up so do not worry if they seem unfit.They are ok. Bring them up with Love, not fear and punishment.

>The point is that when you look at how all the people describe
>God you will realise that they worship totally different
>deities.

Yes i understand that, yet deep inside them they are all looking for the same thing, the same God. Aren't they all looking for inner peace, security, comfort?? The source of which is God??

>The human heart is desparately evil and sometimes can shock
>you what it can desire or do. 'Self-awareness' is just a way
>to escape reality.

I'm afraid you are very wrong here. The Human mind is a great wanderer. It is capable of thinking too many things at the same time. This is the one you are trying to call 'evil'. The Human heart relates to feelings. These feelings are the ones that do not wander, they stay with you until you change your state of being...so instead of being sad you start being happy. You cannot do sad or do happy,only be those things. When you become aware of this you become a better Human BE-ING because that is what you are. That is the reality, the truth. It is not an escape from reality.

>My God has a name and he knows me and everything about me. My
>God is much greater than his creation.

That is absolutely correct. However do not forget His creation is part of Him for He is All There Is. The sum of the parts can never be greater than the Whole. You said it!!!!!

>Are you taking about a created thing or the creator. God is
>not man and therefore can not be decribed as a man.

TM if you follow that route you will only be shooting yourself in the foot since Jesus was a man, and he knew he was a Part of God, the God that created Him Jesus. So yes jesus is like God just like you and I.

>My point is limited to a finite 3D naturalistic worldview, we
>will have an extrapolated extremely limited waped concept of
>God. Man can not know what God is like unless God chooses to
>personally revela himself. We can be now be thankful for Jesus
>and the Bible.

God did not only reveal Herself 2000 years ago, it also happens now. And when it happens it is like asking a dumb man to describe how sweet honey is.Can he? No, but he knows just how sweet it is!!!! I have met people who have experienced God. God will reveal Himself when you have absolutely no doubt about Him, and that means getting out of your mind, literally.

>>And any force is capable of expressing love.
>Is this for real.

When you reach that level you will understand.

>I the Lord do not change Mal 3:6

The Bible is not an authority on God, a man could have written that. However as i understand it God will not change His promises to us which include complete freedom of choice and His 10 commitements to us ( not 10 commandments).

>My friend, from the day I realised that I was a Sinner and I
>gave my life to God through Jesus Christ, He has been a good
>father. I know the voice of the spheherd.

If you know the voice of the shephard (spheherd????) then i will not have to elaborate your other post where you asked me about God Jesus the Bible etc. The day you realized you were a 'sinner' you shackled yourself in guilt and have since tried to do everything to prove you are no longer a 'sinner' including getting 'saved'. Thus one act was performed to justify the other. Try talkng to God and you will 'save' yourself from 'yourself'....the self you do not know about, the one that makes you UNAWARE, the one that tells you at this very moment i do not make sense.

>Your God is too small. At least you can acknowlegde that my God
>and yours are different then.

I will never be drawn into the petty argument of whose God is smaller or bigger. There is only ONE, no matter how you want to look at it. The perspective changes but the reality stays the same, ONE.

>1+1=2 is True. But neither is 1 or 2 God.

TM is a good guy, he is also generous and kind. When anyone thinks of the most kind thing they have ever done they immediately think of TM for TM is kindness, there is no other who has shown TM's kind of Kindness. We can therefore say TM is kindness.The other things like generosity and being Good also remind us of TM. Therefore TM epitomises kindness, generosity and Good. TM is kind, generous and Good. These three entities co-exist at the same time. One cannot be kind and bad or generous and selfish at the same time. Therefore in this case 1=1=1=1=Same. kindness +generosity does not = double good. it simply equals Good.

>>we are not sinners...we have simply forgotten Who We
>>Are........which is that We Are One.
>
>Is this for real?

yes it is my dear TM.

>PS. Have a nice February. I am going back to kenya for
>holidays and therefore I will be extremely rare in mashada.

Please be nice to your kids and do not punish them at whatever cost!!! have fun.

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.