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Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-23-2005, 09:55 PM
Interestingly, ..who Jesus is...? is a question you can't avoid. You will either use his name as a curse word OR form a theory to explain him out. BUT for me Jesus is Lord and King, and the saviour of the world.
It is interesting to note how many Cults and False teachings began by someone getting a revelation from an 'angle of light'.
At the highest pinnacle of the MORMON temple, there is Moroni, the angle of light, who told Joseph Smith that all the teachings of Christinity are an abomination, and that he could become god himself.
One billion people today are following ISLAM because a man named muhammad claimed to have received revelations from an angel of light, who told hime that Jesus Christ was not God, that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross for man's sins, and man can save himself by keeping the law of Muhammad.
Today, there are hundreds varieties of 'Jesus Christ' being served to the mass. (Actually millions if you believe Shirley MacLaine's and one Mashadite's pronouncement that we are all gods or Jesus Christ!)
Jesus of Jehovah's witnesses is the archangel Michael. He is the first creation of God, he came to earth as man, he died on a stake, and he rose invisibly as a ghost.
The Mormons say that Jesus was simply on god in a pantheon of gods. He is the brother of satan, and the cross and blood of Christ are foolishness.
Mary Baker Eddy taught in Christian science that Jesus was just a pleasant idea.
Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church say that Jesus was a man who failed, and that Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
The Baha'is say that Jesus is one of the nine great world manifestations. They say it does not matter what religion you believe, since all religions are basically the same.
The Unitarians say that Jesus was a good man but his followers mistakenly deified him.
The Spiritists say that Jesus is an advanced medium in the sixth sphere in the astrological position.
The Rosicrucians say that Jesus is a manifestation of Cosmic consciousness.
Maharishi and Transcendental Meditation say that Jesus was an enlightened guru who never seffered or died for anyone.
THE JESUS OF THE CULTS & FALSE TEACHINGS IS NOT THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE.
Who is the real Jesus Christ? That's the ultimate question.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:1-3
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-24-2005, 03:54 AM
Hey TM
>(Actually millions if you believe Shirley
>MacLaine's and one Mashadite's pronouncement that we are all
>gods or Jesus Christ!)
Would that be me TM?? I think i will have to take you back to basics to understand where i come from.......the intention was for you to find out by yourself....and thus experience for yourself self-realization.....something nobody else can experience on your behalf.
In the beginning was the word and the word was God.There was nothing else, no devil, no satan, nada!! Can you imagine that?Only God the word....and this word must have come from a thought, an idea......now in english God is a noun for Good. This goodness and perfection was All There Is......nothing did not exist except this God. You are allowed to imagine whatever you want to about this perfection, a light, an energy, a stone...it does not matter...just hold that thought and imagine that That Is All There Is.
This God knew Its perfection and magnificence. But how could God experience His own magnificence?? How can one know how good they are when there is no other? One way is to keep telling onself that oneself is magnificent.But that simply remains a thought not an experience. The other is to experience it. Now how does One experience that,when that One is All There exists?? There was nothing else apart from God. So God came up with a simple solution.....divide Godself into Godself.......imagine like a big huge circle now divided into smaller pieces.....now all these pieces when added together can never be larger than the circle itself right?
Now these smaller pieces which are a Part of the Whole existed as an individuation of God. They were all composed of the same stuff...they came from the same stuff...the stuff God was composed of..the All There Is which is God. Each of these individual parts could now look at the other and the Whole and experience the maginficence of themselves as individuals and as a whole. Remember that All these Parts had the same qualities as The Whole and as such could analyse the other.
I shall stop here at the moment for you to digest and critically analyse what i've said.... and when you keep aside your prejudices you will realize it makes sense.....
-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-24-2005, 05:28 AM
TM, the question is, how do you know that your version of who Christ is/was is the correct version, seeing that all the followers of the sects/cults/religions you mentioned believe that their version of Christ is the correct one with the same psyche you believe that YOUR version is the correct one.
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-27-2005, 03:28 AM
Hey TM
Seeing as you are busy with other posts i thought i'd remind you to please read what i said and critically analyse it.....bash it, trash it,whatever but in all honesty be true to yourself when you read it.....and by the way i was not the only one who said we are all the same and like God too.....Jesus did so too....i merely borrowed and accepted His school of thought, thanks bro TM.
-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-27-2005, 06:06 PM
>Hey TM
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>Seeing as you are busy with other posts i thought i'd remind
>you to please read what i said and critically analyse
>it.....
he already told you he doestn't engage in empty philosophical debates.
bash it, trash it,whatever but in all honesty be true
>to yourself when you read it.....
how can he be truthful to himself when he truly believes that he has a sinful nature, that he is at war with spiritual beings. any thought that deviates from his religions accepted teachings is from the enemy. and we all know what is said will happen to the enemy and his friends on that day!
and by the way i was not the
>only one who said we are all the same and like God
>too.....Jesus did so too....i merely borrowed and accepted His
>school of thought, thanks bro TM.
created in the image of God... many ways to interpret this, but your interpretation deviates from TMs religion, so.....(above)
>
>-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.
don't mean to sound so negative, but that is the way it is my fellow traveller... fear is a prison.
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-27-2005, 06:31 PM
hey jarabuon
Thanks for the update!!
-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.
The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
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@satjas -
01-27-2005, 06:35 PM
you never answered my question on being out of ones mind/astral projection. hebu fafanua on it
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
01-27-2005, 11:12 PM
@satjas,
One thing thats very clear is that me, you and many others are taking about different deities.
I guess I don't have the motivation to 'flog a dead horse' or 'give medicine to a dead donkey'.
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Matthew 7: 6
Christianity is true because of what it is and NOT just because your New Age/Mormon/Hindu philosophies are Fake.
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RE: Who do you say Jesus is? -
02-01-2005, 03:22 AM
hey TM
>Christianity is true because of what it is and NOT just
>because your New Age/Mormon/Hindu philosophies are Fake.
First of all you have not yet established what my philosophy is and are just guessing here.
Please let's not put lables where they do not belong because soon you'll have followers who will start believing all these things you say about me. Me and My Father are one....please understand that.....and remember if God was able to talk 2000 years ago, He can still do that now.....on computer....do you doubt that???
-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.
The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.
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