[TeamManager]

>TM did you anderstand what you wrote, coz to me it does
>not make sence nor does it try to explain the various
>issues I and others raised regarding god

Let me try again..... God Knows what is yet to happen cause he know it will happen AND NOT BECAUSE HE CAUSES IT TO HAPPEN.

An example... for lack of a good example .. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, I know that the person who jumps from a tall building will be injured, BUT I don't cause either to happen. Multiple our human 'foreknowing' by infinity and then you start to understand His foreknowing.

IT's your choice to accept or Reject God. Don't blame it on somebody.

[TeamManager]

>ATlian,
>
>I think you have developed a very negative attitude towards
>christianity.

@OR
For a guy like ATLian who religiously does not believe in God don't hold your breath.
For a person who believes that God does not exist, I am shocked at how many times he uses the word 'god'.

The funny thing is that he never contributes on how his Atheism helps the suffering etc and only calls people to his empty hole.

[TeamManager]

>As I stand TM am in the process of discovering whether
>xtianity is worthwhile and while at it to know whether
>god is real or a farce. TM what is your take on the
>other religions ie Budhism, Islamic and even 'Atheists'.

1. Man-made religions seeking to find God.
2. False teachings

Will they see God once they depart from this world???

Anybody who rejects God's gift of salvation is still bound in his sins AND therefore will be eternally separated from God.

>>2. From utotoni, did you Believe IN God or did you >>Believe ABOUT God? Big difference my friend.
>
>To me it one and the same!

WRONG! When you were a 'Christian', was God REAL in your life or was he some abstract item of Worship?
Is your believe a kind of SWITCH or does it have a foundation. Going to Church and participating in ceremonies does not make you a Christian my friend.


>I have a bone to pick when I have to suffer for other >peoples sins. Say like my forefathers sinned and a curse >was liad on the three generations of their sons and >daughters to come.
>What sence is there in this kind of reasoning????

My point was concerning mr.x sinning e.g rape and miss y suffering.
Otherwise get yourself set free.

>You are wrong here buddy!. What suffering does to some
>people is to alienate(sp) them from God.

Please re-read my comments again and get the correct context.

>TM, what do you think of all the other living things in this world. Will they have another kind of life in heaven.

I don't Know.

>In short TM and others, heaven and too may be a big
>farce created to give us hope and to instil fear in us
>mortals

Then my pity would go to all those HOPELESS atheist in Mashada.

Be honest, ....If God were to remove His Moral requirement..would you believe in him??

[mymo]

Guess it's all a matter of faith.I know bad things happen to good people but i dont think it's right to let go of your faith

[jarabuon]

>
>>other religions ie Budhism, Islamic and even 'Atheists'.
>
>1. Man-made religions seeking to find God.
>2. False teachings
>

Questions Bw. TM

1. Did you sample these other religions before settling on your current one?

2. If you were born in Saudi Arabia, 10 miles from Mecca, to muslim parents, surrounded by muslim family, society, schools, friends enemies etc, would you have your current religion? (no answer to this question, just consider).

btw, these are trick questions. it is not even a question for you to answer me, but for you to answer to yourself.


>Will they see God once they depart from this world???
>
>Anybody who rejects God's gift of salvation is still bound in
>his sins AND therefore will be eternally separated from God.
>


Question

1. would you pray to Budha? Would you offer praise to Vishnu? Why not?

[ATLian]

>ATlian,
>
>I think you have developed a very negative attitude towards
>christianity. It will be difficult for you to appreciate the
>christian point of view if you do not keep an open mind.


Actually my negative attitude is towards organized religion as a whole. I attack Christianity mainly because it's the religion I was raised under, so it's the religion I know the most about. I know too little about the other major religions to give an informed opinion.

Then, I think that Christianity actually CLOSES your mind, not opens it. In Christianity, you're told to believe without questioning, accept and take as absolute whatever your god tells you, and dismiss as total hogwash other religions and to view their gods as false gods. Christianity doesn't have room for opposing views. On the other hand, to be an atheist, you must have opened your mind completely to try search for the truth outside the established norm. You've actually questioned and realised that a lot of the stuff doesn't make sense to you, and coz it doesn't make sense, you've walked away.

[ATLian]

>God does not need to prove a thing. the bible - specifically
>the OT is replete with examples of people who first forsook
>God and therefore challenged him.... God always reacted by
>showing his power and glory through prohets such as Elijah,
>Elisha, Jeremiah e.t.c

OR, then why did he let Satan torture Job so crazily? It seems like he needed to prove something.

[ATLian]

TM, you've gone on a serious atheist-bashing spree, so here's something to think about. Assume there are 2 pals, Peter and Paul, who are both heavily on drugs. Yaani they're both on coke, crack, heroin, weed, speed, booze and steroids. Only difference is Peter also does ecstasy, but Paul doesn't touch it. So Paul is always lashing out at Peter as a hopeless useless chap because Peter does ecstasy, while totally ignoring the fact that both of them are heavily into a thao other drugs. Paul is definitely a hypocrite.

To draw the parallel with Christianity - we know that there are thousands of gods out there (Jehovah, Vishnu, Allah, Baal, etc). Lets assume for simplicity's sake that there are exactly 1,000 gods. Christians and atheists don't believe in 999 of those gods. In addition, atheists don't believe in one extra god - Jehovah - while Christians believe in him. Yaani Christians and atheists are on the same page dismissing 999 gods out there, just like Peter and Paul are on the same page doing all those drugs. But, when we get to god number 1000 - Jehovah - Christians embrace him while atheists dismiss him as number 1,000.

So Christians are ahead of atheists by just 1 god, and that makes them feel like they have all the right to shoot us down. Sort of like Paul dissing Peter coz of not taking ecstasy. WTF? Am I the only one who sees that as serious hypocrisy?

We're all crackheads, we just smoke one more type of crack than you Christians!

[ATLian]

TM, you've gone on a serious atheist-bashing spree, so here's something to think about. Assume there are 2 pals, Peter and Paul, who are both heavily on drugs. Yaani they're both on coke, crack, heroin, weed, speed, booze and steroids. Only difference is Peter also does ecstasy, but Paul doesn't touch it. So Paul is always lashing out at Peter as a hopeless useless chap because Peter does ecstasy, while totally ignoring the fact that both of them are heavily into a thao other drugs. Paul is definitely a hypocrite.

To draw the parallel with Christianity - we know that there are thousands of gods out there (Jehovah, Vishnu, Allah, Baal, etc). Lets assume for simplicity's sake that there are exactly 1,000 gods. Christians and atheists don't believe in 999 of those gods. In addition, atheists don't believe in one extra god - Jehovah - while Christians believe in him. Yaani Christians and atheists are on the same page dismissing 999 gods out there, just like Peter and Paul are on the same page doing all those drugs. But, when we get to god number 1000 - Jehovah - Christians embrace him while atheists dismiss him as number 1,000.

So Christians are ahead of atheists by just 1 god, and that makes them feel like they have all the right to shoot us down. Sort of like Paul dissing Peter coz of not taking ecstasy. WTF? Am I the only one who sees that as serious hypocrisy?

We're all crackheads, we just smoke one more type of crack than you Christians!

[O_D_D]

The existence of god, and the belief therein is purely psychological IMO, but rather hard to see lest you free your mind first.