Wives, Submit to your husband ......

TeamManager · (#1 (**permalink**))

Many husbands, Christian and Non-Christian alike, think that the part of the verse '...Wives, submit to your husbands....' gives them a license to dominate and rule over their wives and that their wives are supposed to take what their husbands dish out.
Many Cultures and other religion, to a more or lesser extend, give man a 'clear advantage' in the Man-Woman relationship.

BUT is it a simple question of MISQUOTING scripture and culture ..????

OR · (#2 (**permalink**))

In other words recognise that the husband is the head of the house.

If, for example, there is no compelling reason to deny him sex then submit. Its just a good recipe for domestic tranquility.

I dont think the bible supports wife battery or abuse.

Frontmum · (#3 (**permalink**))

A woman should submit to her husband but not always, a woman is human too and she has her likes and dislikes. Most men believe that once they have married a woman they can treat/talk to her they way they feel like, all because a woman should stand by their men.

jmburus · (#4 (**permalink**))

>to dominate and rule over their wives and
>that their wives are supposed to take what their husbands dish
>out.

You got that right.. Mamaz are supposed to take what their husbands DISH out .. no matter how small it is ;-) :D

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>BUT is it a simple question of MISQUOTING scripture and
>culture ..????

No TM this was a God- Given punishment / Curse

Gen 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

On labour- We all know the labour women go through .. even after taking a gunia of paine killers.
On desire - If you ask the women.... they prefer the REAL thing over and above Dildos .. (self explanatory)
Lastly on the ruling - Men have no choice but to rule these mamaz ata wakimea pembe because all we do is fulfil the scripture by making sure that wameshika radar kabisa just as God decreed..

Who are we to try and resists God's curse to the women. We dare not lest he turns his wrath againist us ...

satjas · (#5 (**permalink**))

Hey TM

>Many husbands, Christian and Non-Christian alike, think that
>the part of the verse '...Wives, submit to your husbands....'
>gives them a license to dominate and rule over their wives and
>that their wives are supposed to take what their husbands dish
>out.
>Many Cultures and other religion, to a more or lesser extend,
>give man a 'clear advantage' in the Man-Woman relationship.
>
>BUT is it a simple question of MISQUOTING scripture and
>culture ..????

The easiest way out is to claim a misquote.......sadly the statement stands out in clarity....to say it has been taken out of context is another apologists way out. The truth according to me, and logical sense,is that Man.....read man and not woman...has justified his actions through this writing in the scripture....this then means that it has been added by man and is not the word of a fair God....God had been eternally fair. An example such as this one clearly goes against the grounds of fair-play.

I have tried explaining in so many words before that the bible is not an authority on the Word of God. The bible does not do justice to Jesus too. I invite you, especially TM , to accept the past and look at the future.....do not forget the past, but do not let that be the basis of future plans. We must, as humanity accept that WE ARE ONE and that OURS IS NOT A BETTER WAY, OURS IS MERELY ANOTHER WAY.

can't we ALL simply accept that???

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.

TeamManager · (#6 (**permalink**))

VERY IMPORTANT -The Context is paramount. A verse taken out of context is a pretext for a proof-text

Ephesians 5 (NIV)
21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

The Bible clearly outlines the roles for both the Husband (i.e. LOVE) and the Wife (i.e. SUBMIT).
SECONDLY, they are to play their ROLE as to the LORD.
HUSBANDs are to LOVE their wives as Christ loved the Church.... And HOW MUCH DID CHRIST LOVE THE CHURCH? Jesus GAVE his own life for the Church. THE Husband should similarly love his wife. He should FEED and CARE for her, just as Christ does the church.
WIVES are to Submit to their Husbands just as the Church SUBMITS to Christ.

MY CONCLUSION
NO upright wife will find it hard to submit to a husband who totally loves her to 'death'. With such LOVE, submission will be easy.

The unfairness is that many men don't give such love to their wives BUT still demand submission.

WHICH IS more difficult to LOVE or to SUBMIT (as unto the Lord).

TeamManager · (#7 (**permalink**))

>In other words recognise that the husband is the head of the
>house.
>If, for example, there is no compelling reason to deny him
>sex then submit. Its just a good recipe for domestic
>tranquility.

In these days or HIV/AIDS, can a woman refuse to have sex with a Promiscuous husband? OR demand for him to use a condom?

>I dont think the bible supports wife battery or abuse.

Eph 5:28-29 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church.

To be a CHRISTIAN and 'batter, not care nor feed' your wive is a CONTRADICTION.

TeamManager · (#8 (**permalink**))

>A woman should submit to her husband but not always, a woman
>is human too and she has her likes and dislikes. Most men
>believe that once they have married a woman they can
>treat/talk to her they way they feel like, all because a woman
>should stand by their men.

@Frontmum
The Bible commands Husbands to LOVE their wives as Jesus Christ loves the Church i.e sacrificial love AND wives are commanded to Submit to husbands as the Church submits to Christ.

So the questions I am getting from your previous comments is ...SHOULD a wife totally submit to her Husband who does NOT totally love her...???? What happens when LOVE and Sumission are not mutually exchanged? What happens when the husband demands the wife to do something that is clearly against the faith?

.......Let me think and research about it......

TeamManager · (#9 (**permalink**))

@jmburus,
That was funny.....
But on a serious note, Love, Respect and appreciate an upright woman as the Bible commands and She will easily submit to you as the Bible commands.

Since the ground was also cursed, work hard my fellow man and feed & take care of the woman.

satjas · (#10 (**permalink**))

Hey TM

>Since the ground was also cursed, work hard my fellow man and
>feed & take care of the woman.

One question for now.....do you love yourself??

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.