[patapata]

"I wonder how many non-Muslims have been inside a mosque and experienced the power of faith and prayer. I wonder how many can recite the FATIHA, THE OPENNING, a sura of the Qur'an. Or any chapter or verse of the Qur'an, either in Arabic or in English."
->Actually, Coach, I know a few non-Muslims that could recite the Fatiha in Arabic. They lived within Muslim communities, and absorbed the information over the years.
->There's more inter-faith dialogue going on than is immediately apparent. Some Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and Hindus visit each other's places of worship, and learn about the tenets of each other's faith, or cooperate to volunteer much needed services to their communities.

"Mass was on Thursday at 10 am, I knelt down with them out of respect (and also not wanting to stick out like a sore thumb, sitting while others knelt) but never tried the scarament."
->What you say about not wanting to stick out like a sore thumb reminds me: I had Jehovah's Witness friends who had a similar issue during those Friday assemblies when we would raise the flag, sing the anthem and recite the loyalty pledge. I think their religion is against 'worshipping' the flag, so to speak. So they advocate standing respectfully at attention, but will not salute the flag or recite the pledge. My friends, not wanting to draw unwelcome attention to themselves, went with the flow. They were uncomfortable with the compromise they had to make, but felt compelled to conform.
->Were you an 8-4-4 scholar? If yes, did you find yourself studying CRE by default? I often wished that we'd had something similar to social ethics at the primary level.

[satjas]

hey coach

>Now back to informing you... Najis means unclean, period. Even
>Muslims are unclean at certain times of the day and cannot
>hold the Qur'an or pray while in this state. One is in the
>state of NAJIS...
>
>- after copulation (on must wash the whole body (GHUSL) in
>order to be considered DAHIR, the opposite of NAJIS)

is that only on the outside or inside as well.....cos i'm trying to imagine how women do it?


>- during menstruation (women don't pray, read or recite the
>Qur'an)

so they get ,yet again, a raw deal because now they cannot even pray and thank God for anything cos of the blooming periods...how backward!! Is this what you call equality for women?? That cos of certain natural conditions prayers cannot be done?

>- if one hasn't washed himself/herself after urinating or
>defecating

Even one's shiite inside ones body remains part of that person.....i suggest this is done for hygenic purposes and not as a silly pre-requisite to talk to God.

>- if one has blood, pus, faeces, vomit etc on his/her clothes
>or body.

How daft?!?!?!? It is ok to have it inside you and not outside you even when it is still a part of you?? That's why you guys get nowhere cos you are too concerned about the outside world that you ignore your inside beauty.


>I bet they didn't explain things to you this way @
>faithbashing.com :-)

Ok that one doesn't exist but www.faithfreedom.org does.

-the paradigm shifter......God's friend.


One can only experience The Power when one is out of one's mind literally!!!!

[Coach]

>->Actually, Coach, I know a few non-Muslims that could recite
>the Fatiha in Arabic. They lived within Muslim communities,
>and absorbed the information over the years.

That is very rare. Usually, the people with negative opinions about Islam (ahem ahem) don't know that much about the faith. They go on ranting about things they've heard from others and don't have the nuts (or maybe wit) to gather information from the source.




>->There's more inter-faith dialogue going on than is
>immediately apparent. Some Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and
>Hindus visit each other's places of worship, and learn about
>the tenets of each other's faith, or cooperate to volunteer
>much needed services to their communities.

This should be done in every country; may I ask where this is taking place?




>->Were you an 8-4-4 scholar? If yes, did you find yourself
>studying CRE by default? I often wished that we'd had
>something similar to social ethics at the primary level.

I am unfortunately an 8-4-4 product and we didn't have an alternative to CRE until later on when IRE was introduced.

[satjas]

Hey coach

>That is very rare. Usually, the people with negative opinions
>about Islam (ahem ahem) don't know that much about the faith.
>They go on ranting about things they've heard from others and
>don't have the nuts (or maybe wit) to gather information from
>the source.

just being polite......where is this source??

>This should be done in every country; may I ask where this is
>taking place?

in the UK, for example http://www.interfaith.co.uk/about.htm
are you not residing in the UK currently??

>I am unfortunately an 8-4-4 product and we didn't have an
>alternative to CRE until later on when IRE was introduced.

please do not be sorry for yourself....you learnt alot.....8-4-4 had its merits too.

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend

One can only experience The Power when one is out of one's mind literally!!!!

[Coach]

>>That is very rare. Usually, the people with negative
>opinions
>>about Islam (ahem ahem) don't know that much about the
>faith.
>>They go on ranting about things they've heard from others
>and
>>don't have the nuts (or maybe wit) to gather information
>from
>>the source.
>
>just being polite......where is this source??

The sources are The Qur'an, Hadith, Seerah of the Prophet PBUH, works of various scholars and philosphers like Al-Ghazzali, Avicenna, Averroes, ibn Taimiyyah et al.





>>This should be done in every country; may I ask where this
>is
>>taking place?
>
>in the UK, for example http://www.interfaith.co.uk/about.htm
>are you not residing in the UK currently??


I have been residing in the UK for the past 10 months. Where do you reside?

[dudette]

Is being a fool a requirement for christianity nowadays?

[TeamManager]

>Is being a fool a requirement for christianity nowadays?

@Dudette
This thread, so far, has been discussed ONLY by Muslims and Satjas (who FYI is NOT a Christian). Furthermore, the Bible or Christianity has NOT been mentioned/quoted thus far.
PLEASE I beg you in heavens name, tell me from where you deduced you conclusion concerning '....a fool a requirement ...'.

Mine to you ...
The fool [ The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.] says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. Psalm 14:1
The Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denote one who is morally deficient.]

[satjas]

Hey dudette

>Is being a fool a requirement for christianity nowadays?

No.....lack of utilising common sense is.....for example being aloof instead of afool!!!

-the paradigm shifter.....God's friend.