[monkeyjos]

I'm not looking to stir up anything, but i was thinking what would be the case if the missionaries had not brought christianity to Africa. If that was the case, does it mean that a lot of us(Africans) would NOT be believers.

Why is it that Israel had to be the chosen place, why could it not be somewhere in Africa or anywhere else in the world for that matter.Maybe even Europe. I would have liked a certain Kamau or Omondi or even Kwame to have been a prophet just like Elijah, Moses and Abraham.

My last question, after all those translations that the bible has gotten, from the original Hebrew version to all the different denominational interpretations, is there a possibility that the bible might have lost something? say like the unproven fact that Jesus might have been married. Please enlighten me all those who are.

....if i'm near blasphemy, God please forgive me but one thing that i cannot control is curiosity.And i would really like to know.



Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are mentally ill.Check 3 friends.If they're OK, youre it.

[petermaumau]

Sovereign nature Of God,
He does what he Pleases with whom he pleases when He pleases..
But I tell you He is a Just God..whereas I do not know what He will do with Unsaved folk who never knew Him,I know what He will dowith those who hear and refuse..
well<it Is not blasphemy if you seek to know,but be open to receive...
He chose Israelites,then He had the gentiles grafted in through Jesus,what a loving God
Peter

[monkeyjos]

>Sovereign nature Of God,
>He does what he Pleases with whom he pleases when He
>pleases..
>But I tell you He is a Just God..whereas I do not know what He
>will do with Unsaved folk who never knew Him,I know what He
>will dowith those who hear and refuse..
>well<it Is not blasphemy if you seek to know,but be open to
>receive...
> He chose Israelites,then He had the gentiles grafted in
>through Jesus,what a loving God
>Peter

...so is this a case of those who believed the missionaries or not?the same missionaries who came from nations that chose to colonise Africa? come on, im even surprised there are Africans who listened and believed them. If i lived in those times, i really don't believe i would have sat and listened to people who took away land from us, made us slaves and had the audacity to try and govern us.
..I have a dark side and i'm wary of it cause it makes me question and sometimes doubt christianity and religion. Right now my dark side is thinking that if God wanted us all to be believers, He would not have put us in a situation where we could question our faith. Truth be told, it is really hard for me to believe that all the religions including christianity,islam and the rest are all right about one God when all of them are saying different things.
let me ask you s'thing Peter, if somehow you decided to be islamic, would that make you less a believer assuming that you are a christian right now or would it make you more a believer in islam after you join.

p.s i'm not the devil and i'm not here to test you or anything of the sort, just want some answers.


Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are mentally ill.Check 3 friends.If they're OK, youre it.

[petermaumau]

the way you put It,the Missionaries had no hope but Isn't God marvellous that He would succeed In the most unlikely of situations..Well I would doubt him but The thing Is Christianity Is real..Jesus can indeed come Into your Heart and change it..I am prooof..The bible says that try God and You will find He is good..
I do agree with you ,if I were to belive in God based on My understanding alone,there Is really not much to be believed..well as for Isalm,You cannot believe in Jesus ..and be In Isalm..If you do ,then It is a sign that you never beleived In Him afterall and therefore never Knew Him..
Now the More Important reason for christ is this...Look at the ten commandments and see if you have maintained them since you could Make a choice ..If Not ,You are bound to die Under judgement from God...God ws so merciful he gave a way Out..all we Have to do is to accept That we are sinful ..or are you not,and then believe In Jesus as our way to avoid God's judgement by his Overlooking Of Our sin..Look at it this way,It Is Not that We ,Or If You believe You will become a non sinner but That You will ask someone who paid the price to cover You as you go scot free to Heaven ..is it that not such a good salvation not worthy to be missed
well ,you are not evil...Just Human...Get the medicine for that..believe Me <he is real,this Is no Rhetoric..I have seen him change people and make them wish they Knew him earlier coz that is How great a God he is
Cheers

[monkeyjos]

> the way you put It,the Missionaries had no hope but Isn't
>God marvellous that He would succeed In the most unlikely of
>situations..Well I would doubt him but The thing Is
>Christianity Is real..Jesus can indeed come Into your Heart
>and change it..I am prooof..The bible says that try God and
>You will find He is good..
> I do agree with you ,if I were to belive in God based on My
>understanding alone,there Is really not much to be
>believed..well as for Isalm,You cannot believe in Jesus ..and
>be In Isalm..If you do ,then It is a sign that you never
>beleived In Him afterall and therefore never Knew Him..
> Now the More Important reason for christ is this...Look at
>the ten commandments and see if you have maintained them since
>you could Make a choice ..If Not ,You are bound to die Under
>judgement from God...God ws so merciful he gave a way Out..all
>we Have to do is to accept That we are sinful ..or are you
>not,and then believe In Jesus as our way to avoid God's
>judgement by his Overlooking Of Our sin..Look at it this
>way,It Is Not that We ,Or If You believe You will become a non
>sinner but That You will ask someone who paid the price to
>cover You as you go scot free to Heaven ..is it that not such
>a good salvation not worthy to be missed
>well ,you are not evil...Just Human...Get the medicine for
>that..believe Me <he is real,this Is no Rhetoric..I have seen
>him change people and make them wish they Knew him earlier coz
>that is How great a God he is
> Cheers
>

OK, maybe you don't get my point so let me rephrase it.
You are an African before all the colonial stuff happens. Yaani you are running with a loin cloth around your waist like all the other Africans. You don't know anything about religion and don't have any purpose for it cause you are already set in the ways of praying under the Mugumo tree.Then out of the ships or whatever they came with, comes two people, one is a muslim and the other a christian. Somehow, they get you to listen to them and finally you come up with a decision on who's word you'll take. So who's it gonna be???

.....please just answer truthfully and don't be biased on the fact that you are a christian right now? remember, before this, you have had no contact with christianity or islam. you are just another African ready to receive religion, whichever one it is.

Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are mentally ill.Check 3 friends.If they're OK, youre it.

[petermaumau]

Picture this,
There I was in My loin cloth...No with The Hides barely coverng My essentials, but I did Not care,got my two wives and all,Gotta go drinking tonight with the other villagers..Life Is so good..Our religion Is really so Intertwinned with our lives it Is hard To differentiate but assuming It Involved going under a tree with a hard to find Black rooster for sacrifice..everything Is fine..Then comes these people telling Me the God who I can Only Know from passed down sayings from my elders can be known Unto Me personally If I try Him..They say Their God whose Love made them come allthe way to the jungle where I am ,also had His son Killed for My sins..at this Point I interupt..I a no sinner,I have killed the roosters as required ,but they insist <and I feel Insulted..Our chief should Not have let this ghostlike looking People Come to talk to us In a few words and broken sentences from the little they know of Our language..an Insult In Itself..
But before I storm Of In a fury ,to decide Other More Important Matters,like which of my wives' families I will spend the Night with,They say something strange..This God actually sent His own Son because He Loved us ..and still does..Well, I picture sending My own son to die for someone else and I say it ain't happening..And they open this book and say that GOd so loved the world..Now the god I know By then does not really care for us, he just makes sure we pay our monthly sacrifices and presumably keep s form punishing Us..so Love and God are Not easy to correlate at this time..
Then they ask me If i have ever lied,something I know Is wrong.. I say yes but ask they refrain from asking Me More about It,Then have You ever stolen? ..offcourse..How do you think I got My second wife? then do you Honestly think that your God will accept you given you have done all that...But I paid the sacrifice...Did it make You feel any better?Not really I say but that Is not the point..Then would you like to try this Jesus guy and see if He Is any better..
So I reluctantly agree..So I agree to ask their God to forgive me of my sins and make Himself real..to me,and accept His son as sacrifice enough for my sins
Then like a load Is lifted off Of me..I cannot explain it but I feel free and Loved and forgiven and for Once with purpose..whats More,I do not desire to drink any more..
This God is so good <I think I will share Him with others,including My family


MY Point...Jesus did the saving,the Missionaries did the witnessing..that is why the people accepted..

[BenShaw]

>>OK, maybe you don't get my point so let me rephrase it.

LOL try harder bro......

[PRINCE HANNIBAL]

I AM, I EXIST, I HAPPENED. I AM HANNIBAL THE GREAT. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW ME. Hey in the begining their was nothing............. The creator existed in the begining and created everything, for nothing can be created out of nothing unless it is the creator aiight...feel me on this. Now follow my thought path little ones, the creator in its excellence had evil manifesting in it, evil birthed out as the other known to us as satan...Where did satan come from if not from the other side of the creator.... What is satan? The devil is in everyone just as the creator exists in all. The creator is the positive in you while the devil is the negative. Satan is the deceptive intelligence in you that allows you to justify wrong, while the creator is the force in you that allows you to grow and constantly better yourself while still honouring and glorifying the creator through your works. Anything i create that reflects my passion for it and allows me to shine though it honours me...Understanding the biblos and life is not hard, but first you must understand yourself. Every truth that religion can ever teach you is already known by you.

[TeamManager]

Your concept of the creator (i.e God in the Bible), first as the creator and secondly as part of creation is rather confusing. It even sounds like some eastern religion.

You equating Satan and the Creator (i.e Negative and Positive) is even worse. Reducing the creator to an influencing force in us, is something I cant understand.

>...Understanding the biblos and life is
>not hard, but first you must understand yourself. Every truth
>that religion can ever teach you is already known by you.

The only thing a honest man can see in himself is the need for a savior.

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And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God.
Col. 3:17

[petermaumau]

So what happens when you die?