[Wired Wierd]

Simple questions to ask yourself.

1. Do you believe in a Supreme Diety/Deities?

2. If so, are you completely without doubt about His/Her/Their teachings, laws and commandments?

3. Do you hold your faith and beliefs strongly be they meek, moderate or radical?

4. Can you tolerate the beliefs and faith of others (within reason), even if you deem them wrong and wish to bring them over to your side? And could you do it without stuffing it down their throats (violent, naggingly or otherwise - for all religions, just in case someone wants to cry foul here)?

5. If it comes to pass that at the end of it all you were wrong, are you ready to face the consequences, whatever they may be?


Bottom line? No one has any business messing up your head about "their" deity/deities as the be-all-end-all(s) and "all the others" as mere figureheads created by man. And it really does not matter what name you call Him/Her/Them (if you believe He/She/They exist(s)). God/Allah/Buddha/Shiva,Brahma & Vishnu/Ngai/Murungu/Nyesaye/Zeus|Jupiter|Kosmetas... etc. Those are names, we all have many, given and acquired.

It's all about standing up for what you believe is right, your ability to tolerate others but not just roll-over for them, and most importantly realize that you could be wrong. Then you just have to bear the consequences of it all.

That's why its called Faith.

We might all just have come from some tripe at the bottom of the sea. Then what? But then again, this is all just my take on the whole issue.

Use your discretion and good judgement.

[Onyango72]

Unfortunately in reading this thread, I find that many people have the idea that all religions lead to God. Not all religions lead to God. This is the truth of the matter. The bible clearly states that narrow is the road that leads to life and only few find it. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Jesus himself said "I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, NO ONE comes to the FATHER except through me. This statement is one of the most important statementss Jesus made about himself. He was in effect saying there is no way one can get to heaven or have a relationship with God without going through me.

For those of you who have never examined the claims of Jesus Christ I would strongly urge to you look into what he said about himself. Beside upon the verse in John 14:6 quoted above, there are only three conclusions one can come to concerning Christ.

1)Jesus is Lord in which case he spoke the truth about himself
2)Jesus was a Liar in which case he has deceived billions of people for over 2000 years to put their faith in him.
3)Jesus was a Lunatic and cannot be trusted or believed.

The choice is yours. Please make an informed choice by examining the claims of Christ about himself.

[Wired Wierd]

>Unfortunately in reading this thread, I find that many people
>have the idea that all religions lead to God. Not all
>religions lead to God. This is the truth of the matter. The
>bible clearly states that narrow is the road that leads to
>life and only few find it. For wide is the gate and broad is
>the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
>Jesus himself said "I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, NO
>ONE comes to the FATHER except through me. This statement is
>one of the most important statementss Jesus made about
>himself. He was in effect saying there is no way one can get
>to heaven or have a relationship with God without going
>through me.
>
>For those of you who have never examined the claims of Jesus
>Christ I would strongly urge to you look into what he said
>about himself. Beside upon the verse in John 14:6 quoted
>above, there are only three conclusions one can come to
>concerning Christ.
>
>1)Jesus is Lord in which case he spoke the truth about
>himself
>2)Jesus was a Liar in which case he has deceived billions of
>people for over 2000 years to put their faith in him.
>3)Jesus was a Lunatic and cannot be trusted or believed.
>
>The choice is yours. Please make an informed choice by
>examining the claims of Christ about himself.
>

Who in the world said that all religions lead to the same Deity or fate? Read up on other religions and their beliefs and you will know better than that. And if you read your post again you will see the bias in it. That is the capital mistake of most. They never bother to ask the question, "What if we are wrong and they are right? Or we are both wrong?" Open mind my friend, open mind. And learn to tolerate others.

Oh and here is a clue. I can believe in a Supreme Being without subscribing to any particular religion. Thats why its called faith. Its between you and The One above.

Capisce?

[y5next]

I admire your zeal for eradicating ignorance and if these samples haven't worn out your patience, you'll be a nominee for the most patient member around here.


Fi-Fo-Fum!

:-)

[petermaumau]

sasa all the emotions aside...Jesus stands at the door Of your Heart,If you will heed his Knock ,He will come In and be the friend,savior,confidant, example and the Lord of your life..again I say try it...When you ever get through intelectualising your existence,accept you dont know and call in someone who does..

cheers

[Wired Wierd]

Ok that does it. I give up.

Brief or thorough they don't understand the point being made, never mind it sinking in.

Have a great weekend folks. To each his or her own.

[y5next]

And you were doing so well....Hehehehehehehehehe! Patience is a virtue worn thin when you come to the realization that NOTHING you say makes an impression on them. Blinders firmly on...trekking down the path of ignorance, blissfully content...Let them be...



Fi-Fo-Fum!

:-)

[Wired Wierd]

Hahaha. Ain't that the truth! Absolutely no argument from me on that one. Pity though. Till they come out of their shells and look at things with an open mind, I don't fancy placing a bet on their chances of getting a good serious listen. Go figure. I think I will just sit back, twiddle my thumbs and watch as far as this section is concerned.

[TeamManager]

You have two option to choose from:-

OPTION 1
Jesus and the Bible's claim that there is only one way to salvation is FALSE. Which in turn gives you two alternatives-
a) Jesus knew His claims were false, in other words He made a delibrate misrepresentation. CONCLUSION - He was a LIAR, a HYPROCRITE, a DEMON and a FOOL (for He died for it).
b) Jesus did not know His claims were false. CONCLUSION- He was SINCERELY DELUDE and a LUNATIC

OPTION 2
Jesus claims were true. That means He is the LORD. Again you have two alternatives-
a) You can ACCEPT
b) You can REJECT

What I can assure you is that whatever option or alternative you freely choose, you require the SAME amount of FAITH.

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And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, giving thanks to God.
Col. 3:17

[Onyango72]

@ Wired Wired

>Who in the world said that all religions lead to the same
>Deity or fate? Read up on other religions and their beliefs
>and you will know better than that. And if you read your post
>again you will see the bias in it. That is the capital mistake
>of most. They never bother to ask the question, "What if we
>are wrong and they are right? Or we are both wrong?" Open mind
>my friend, open mind. And learn to tolerate others.
>
>Oh and here is a clue. I can believe in a Supreme Being
>without subscribing to any particular religion. Thats why its
>called faith. Its between you and The One above.
>
>Capisce?

In the World today there is a growing chrous to be tolerant of the views of others especially when it comes to religious views or beliefs. For the Christian who is considered intolerant he/she is labeled as a fundamentalists who damns everyone with whom he/she disagrees with. Our culture has become a very pluralistic, individualistic and relativistic in nature and as a result many feel that they are free to chose his or her own "lifestyle" utterly free from any evaluation that might bring it into question. But this is really intellectual cowardice and a capitulation to relativism.


All religious are not equally true. People have the freedom of religion but that does not render all religions to be right or reasonable. It is intellectual suicide, to think that when it comes to religion there are no right or wrong answers especially when it comes to the nature of God, who he is and the Salvation he has provided.

Christians however know otherwise, because we are the humble recipients of God's answers revealed through Christ and in the Holy Scriptures. We are commanded by Christ to love one another which is the greatest commandment. We are to love our God-created neighbor, whoever he or she might be Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, agnostic or atheist. However, we cannot in good conscience endorse alien theologies that contradict the Scriptures. We must respect and honor people from every spiritual tradition, but this does not mean we must accept all religions or that all roads lead to Truth.

The true follower of Christ believes in the claims of Christ Jesus who himself claimed to be diety, and said that he was the TRUTH and only way to God (John 14:6). As Christian who believes in the entire bible, I would in may cases be labeled intolerant because I believe in the bible and in what Jesus said about himself. It is incumbent upon me to "speak the truth in love" to our pluralistic, relativistic culture. If I am labeled as being intolerant, then that is what I will be. I think I will be in pretty good company, for Jesus statement in John 14:6 seem quite intolerant to many today. He is either LORD, LIAR OR LUNATIC. The choice is yours.