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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 02:54 PM
@p-cat,
Do not follow your pastor/minister. Your Saviour, I hope, is Christ. Study your Bible and follow the Author of your Bible - Christ. If you put your trust in the arm of flesh you will fall!
Cheers:)
>>this is the ideology of a conquerer. the reason many
>Kenyans
>>are christians is because our forefathers did not have guns
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>that got me. heheheheh BShaw, didn't know you were funny
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>as to whether I go to Heaven or Hell, that is between I and
>whom I believe in.
>it doesn't do me any good to have it drummed down my throat
>when the fat pastors/ministers wallow in riches.
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 03:29 PM
My perception of REAL HELL is a place bila God you know yaani a place where when you're in trouble you have no one to turn to;when you're at your end you have nowhere to turn to;Yaani I have experienced God's love at such a personal and intense level that the thought of even Him turning His face away form me even for a time scares the Hell out of me literally.For me His Love is better than Life;Thank God for Jesus coz if we we're to make it to heaven on our own merit I definately would have been those who would have failed miserably.All I can say is I pray for all friends,family and foes to find Jesus.The thing is its so easy to get saved yaani JC paid the price for you why gamble your eternal future just jua once you die you cant come back this side to reconsider your decison or lack of it and you donot know when you will die.Me I just imagine the look on all those atheists and nonbelievers when they get to the other side and things are just as it is written on the Bible .Guys this is not a laughing/joking matter it is dead serious I hope you realise this before its too late.
Now I know what Noah must've gone through when he was building the ark.In the end the joke was on the ones who thought Noah needed to ligten up and get a life.
As for those who are asking if this is a crusade.Your conscience must be really bothering you for you to ask that question on a post posted on the religion and spirituality forum.Dear we must preach Christ at every opportunity.
1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 04:11 PM
>Study your Bible and follow the Author of your Bible
>- Christ. If you put your trust in the arm of flesh you will
>fall!
Which Bible?
What if...what if the Bible is really not what it ought to be? What if...hypothetically...what if it was altered to suit queer, deviant, sodomite numero uno, King James and his clowns? Where are all the books of the Bible and why are some books missing? Why is the Bible so hard to comprehend even when there's a flow? And y'all don't tell me about some gift from God that makes you understand what the hey queer King James talketh about. First and foremost, if you failed your KCSE exams due to lack of comprehension of simple KIE books...I doubt that the Bible was meant for you....don't even go there.
What I'm saying is that everytime I think Bible, Jesus, God, Christianity bla..bla, the more cracks I see. I doubt I am, but just as a mad man views everyone else as mad, I'll tell you this, some of you are delusional...very delusional...ye victims of mass hysteria.
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Failing all else, religion reverts to the tried and true 'hell-fire and brimstone' doctrine. God probably cringes every time his self-appointed prophets open their mouths. There has to be a better way...
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 05:03 PM
>>Study your Bible and follow the Author of your Bible
>>- Christ. If you put your trust in the arm of flesh you
>will
>>fall!
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>Which Bible?
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>What if...what if the Bible is really not what it ought to be?
>What if...hypothetically...what if it was altered to suit
>queer, deviant, sodomite numero uno, King James and his
>clowns? Where are all the books of the Bible and why are some
>books missing? Why is the Bible so hard to comprehend even
>when there's a flow? And y'all don't tell me about some gift
>from God that makes you understand what the hey queer King
>James talketh about. First and foremost, if you failed your
>KCSE exams due to lack of comprehension of simple KIE
>books...I doubt that the Bible was meant for you....don't even
>go there.
>What I'm saying is that everytime I think Bible, Jesus, God,
>Christianity bla..bla, the more cracks I see. I doubt I am,
>but just as a mad man views everyone else as mad, I'll tell
>you this, some of you are delusional...very delusional...ye
>victims of mass hysteria.
I AM, I EXIST, I HAPPENED. I AM HANNIBAL THE GREAT. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW ME. Or what if the bible is taught wrong..who said you need the church or Peter or even pebbles nibbles( what is it you nibble on luv?)to teach you the biblos? The bible is deep and in it there are many truths. I reckon it is a prophetic book speaking of things that happen now and are soon to happen and it also speaks of things that have past. Hell may be here on earth, hell may be where a crack head is, or an alcoholic, Hell could be the frustration of never ever realizing your dreams, and to be all this..to fall short from the glory of God one must have not honoured himself/herself and lived their lives fully. Fire forever would be the punishment of a maniac, a mad evil being. Hell is the total destruction of all that is evil and all that hampers man from being all he can be. Heaven is perfection that we( if we live right) will attain after death...Heaven is life after death.
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 05:39 PM
For once y5 I agree with you. there has to be a better way... you cannot base your beliefs on fear of punishment... that is a terrible fate to assign yourself.
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 06:00 PM
A challenge for all who doubt the aunthenticity of the bible..or who say it is too hard ...
Assuming Jews are a Neutral religion for all of us, I.e we all believe theyhave some integrity ,having been here for such a long time..
So their Torah,which is actually the Old testament In the bible, can be trusted as being older than christ's appearance on earth..(kweli /Rongo) If Rongo Abandon ship,else
Since the Torah contains the Book Of Isiah,we can trust the Book of Isiah (kweli /Rongo) If Rongo Abandon ship,else
The Prophesies In Isiah are accurate
..(kweli /Rongo) If Rongo Abandon ship,else
Read the book Of Isisah, note the prophesies,
Then
Read the book Of Matthew In the New testament or the new testament
If after all else you are convinced the bible and Jesus are fake
Never bother to read the Bible again..salvation is a lie
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 06:06 PM
>I AM, I EXIST, I HAPPENED. I AM HANNIBAL THE GREAT. YOU WILL
>NEVER KNOW ME. Or what if the bible is taught wrong..who said
>you need the church or Peter or even pebbles nibbles( what is
>it you nibble on luv?)to teach you the biblos? The bible is
>deep and in it there are many truths. I reckon it is a
>prophetic book speaking of things that happen now and are soon
>to happen and it also speaks of things that have past. Hell
>may be here on earth, hell may be where a crack head is, or an
>alcoholic, Hell could be the frustration of never ever
>realizing your dreams, and to be all this..to fall short from
>the glory of God one must have not honoured himself/herself
>and lived their lives fully. Fire forever would be the
>punishment of a maniac, a mad evil being. Hell is the total
>destruction of all that is evil and all that hampers man from
>being all he can be. Heaven is perfection that we( if we live
>right) will attain after death...Heaven is life after death.
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That's another way to look at it. But if heaven is life after death and reincarnation holds true, what are the implications? I would be very disappointed if after all this witnessing, prophesying, spreading the Word, reading the Bible, kneeling and shutting my eyes numerous times, speaking in tongues, I was short-changed by coming back as a cow or a mbuzi. God forbid!!!
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 06:27 PM
The creator, protector, judge, jury and final arbiter of life doesn't need people to have the "FEAR OF GOD" to be put into them to follow his commands. He certainly wouldn't be sending these latter day prophets with their messages of Hell and damnation as the most convincing argument for his message.
The book is not what is in question, it's the methods employed by those spreading the word that is.
To make it simpler, you'd be at the front line of those criticizing the methods of conversion (more like coercion if you ask me) utilised by Muslims. How do you see the message of hell and damnation as being any different?
Fi-Fo-Fum!
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RE: Hell -
03-09-2004, 06:29 PM
>A challenge for all who doubt the aunthenticity of the
>bible..or who say it is too hard ...
And in the same way I can ask you to tell me whatever happened to the "over 15" Books mentioned in the bible but do not feature.
And I'll give Isaiah as much benefit of the doubt as Nostradamus.
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