[teejay]

>Is this the somberly way of differing
>with soemeone? Why do you brand me
>blasphamous? Why do you sound so
>uncomfortable with my mere view about
>religion? Do you know what it means to
>agree to disagree?

Well Proletariat mine is not to differ with you but to tell the truth and bear witness of the light anywhere and everywhere I go........Like the song goes

"this light of mine am gonna let it
this light of mine am gonna let it shine"....
..... hey people back me up.

Your mere view as you call it,is scornful and imprudent to any Christain faithful.It seem like your tongue and thinking has ceased to be wholesome and instead you have embraced perverseness in your thread above.This is a breach in Spirit.


It is not time for differing with one another infact Am told by the word that the difference happened long time ago in heaven and The light won against Darkness.Satan as result was thrown out.Just when he thought he had won when he murdered christ,he was again put to shame when Christ raised from the dead.

>Actually, I have nothing negative with
>christianity. In fact, I'm just quoting
>the same Bible they read, with a
>different interpretation. I also respect
>your view, portraying me as being
>negative about christianity, simply
>because I have no option but to respect
>your view.

Now I'll tell you one thing even Satan knows what the bible pretty clearly says and of course many other people who finds the bible as just a mere story book.Therefore quoting from the bible to people of the above nature can as well be the same as quoting from Chinua Achebe.

NOTE:John 4:9 And he(SATAN) brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence...

John 4:10 FOR IT IS WRITTEN, HE SHALL GIVE HIS ANGELS CHARGE OVER THEE, TO KEEP THEE.....

Jonh 4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Note how the Lord wins easily over satan.....

John 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

>Like Chinua Achebe, in Things Fall
>Apart, Obierika a character in that
>novel said that "an old woman is always
>uneasy when dry bones are mentioned."

One thing you need to know is that God's word is not just a mere literature.This is spiritual your own human interpretation will not work with the bible Why????.It is not whatsoever comparable to those nigerian books you are herein quoting.

Am not uneasy in anyway am just amazed at how blasphemous and rebelious one can be against his on MASTER.At this point it is not difficult to liken your "mule" attitude to that of the Children of Jacob during their exodus from Egypt.And for that matter one becomes a fool in the eye of the Lord

A fool here means one who denies wisdom in his path.Let us take a look at what the book of proverbs says about fools

When you talk about God you must mention HIS name with care,you must fear HIM for HE is Wisdom.
bible says in......

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction

Not the end, or totality, of knowledge, but the beginning, without which other data are meaningless or even perverse. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom" (Proverbs 9:10; Job 28:28; Psalm 111:10).This tells you that inviting the Lord in one's life is inviting knowlegde

Proverbs 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Proverbs 10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

If you still see this as dry bones then I have this too to say to you....

.....Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.

GOD CREATED US

READ YOUR BIBLE EVERYDAY

[teejay]

>WE AS HUMANS HAVE A NEED TO HAVE AN
>EXCUSE FOR THINGS WE CANT EXPLAIN. WE
>CREATED GOD TO SATISFY OUR DESIRE FOR
>ANSWERS. AND THE CLERGY HAS PEPETUATED
>THE MYTH FOR SO LONG SO THAT THEY CAN
>HAVE AN UPPER HAND OVER OUR LIVES. GOD
>IS WHAT IS IN YOU NOT WHAT SOMEONE SAYS
>SHOULD BE IN YOU.

Correction freddy.You as a human have a need to.....

By your words alone I see rebellion in you.In other words You call rebellion God because that is what is in you.Be careful..

>HERE IS MY QUESTION TO ALL "NON
>BLASPEHMOUS" PEOPLE. WHY WOULD GOD
>CREATE YOU WITH A MIND THAT CAN THINK
>ONLY TO DESTROY YOU FOR DOING WHAT IT
>TOLD YOU TO DO.

Just like parents to his Kids I will do this for the Lord.Repeat it until it sticks in your mind.READ YOUR BIBLE EVERYDAY

Only in this book will you find the reason destruction has befallen man.The reason your brain has caused you to seek destruction on yourself.

You will find out that It is actually not God responsible for your mischief but your sinful and rebelious nature.In this book you will find hidden treasure"truth,life and happiness"

Your finite mind cannot comprehend the mysteries of God.Open your mind to the sacred truths that would broaden and strengthen the understanding.So many people become infidels because their finite minds cannot comprehend the mysteries of God.They cannot explain the wonderful exhibition of divine power in His providences, therefore they reject the evidences of such power, attributing them to natural agencies which they can comprehend still less. The only key to the mysteries that surround us is to acknowledge in them all the presence and power of God. You need to recognize God as the Creator of the universe, One who commands and executes all things. You need a broader view of His character, and of the mystery of His agencies.

In regard to your question about Gandhi and Budha going to hell or not,This is what I think.If they beleived in christ and followed they ways of Christ then very well for them.Havent you not heard Christ say that not all those who call him Lord!Lord! will not see the kingdom of heaven???

Dragging alittle further in to Budha/Gandhi dispute Christ says in....

John 3:3 ........Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

He adds goes in John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

By nature the heart is evil, and "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one."(Job 14:4). No human invention can find a remedy for the sinning soul. "The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." "Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." (Rom. 8:7; Matt. 15:19). The fountain of the heart must be purified before the streams can become pure. He who is trying to reach heaven by his own works in keeping the law is attempting an impossibility. There is no safety for one who has merely a legal religion, a form of godliness. The Christian's life is not a modification or improvement of the old, but a transformation of nature. There is a death to self and sin, and a new life altogether. This change can be brought about only by the effectual working of the Holy Spirit.

I hope that I have satisfied your zeal of searching for the truth.

READ YOUR BIBLE EVERYDAY

[Proletariat]

teejay,

"If you know the truth, it will set you free and free in deed."

It seems that this is the only truth you know, and surely it has set you free??? and free??? in deed, such that you are unable to understand the obvious.

Keep it up, it is good for you.

[teejay]

>"If you know the truth, it will set you
>free and free in deed."

>It seems that this is the only truth you
>know, and surely it has set you free???
>and free??? in deed, such that you are
>unable to understand the obvious.

Proletariat Am not ashamed to say yes.

What was obvious to satan threw him out of his original home.If you want to stick In Egypt its ok.But remember there is a wall you need to go round seven times.The more time you waste the sooner it is gonna rain cats and dogs and you will be washed away.You also need to take care so that the trumpet doesnt find you still scorning other people.

>Keep it up, it is good for you.

Thank you brother I will.I pray that the Lord broaden your thinking as much he broadens mine.And once that happens it will be good for you too and hopefully we'll all be keeping it up through his guidance.

Lastly.....seek ye the kingdom of God first and all the rest will be added unto you.

READ YOUR BIBLE EVERYDAY

[Shifta]

We did not creat God but He created us in his likeness and image.Personally speaking there is no way to go to heaven without having to pass through Jesus Christ.

So have faith in the Lord,trust in him and seek guidance from Him coz He will provide you with the answers you need.

And remember to uphold the commandments that Jesus gave.
Love you neighbour as you love your self
Love your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your might.


The Shifta

[masaihatari]

great!! you did a good job to create God but what have you done since then? How did you come up with such a stupid story jo? Unahitaji Ombi kubwa.

[lovelylips]

Interesting arguement.... HOWEVER STUPID.
You miss to answer the very heart of your source of argument " HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND?" At least the rest of mankind tried to explain it.
Now, its your turn , MR. Genius... let's hear what your retarded mind can come up with.



* ""If it is in the way, move it. If it won't move, kill it. If it won't die, blow the f#ker up. If it won't explode... walk politely around it.""

[blakstar]

so the Gods kreated man in their own image...in the image of the Gods created they them:both male & female.
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the problem with humanz is IGNORANCE....
I must commend tee-jay...u deep son..keep on emancipatin our pplez,blinded to komprehend the MYSTERY of God.
The Gods (yes.Gods)kreated us in their own likeness...not us them..Don`t get it twisted.
WOE TO U, EARTH ,SAND & SEA,FOR THE DEVIL HAZ KOME DOWN TO U IN G.R.E.A.T. F.U.R.Y., KNOWIN THAT HIS TYME IS NEAR..rev 12:12
at tymes the truth is so bizzarre,but those with eyez will see,earz will listen.don`t believe tha hype..the devil is still a liar walkin in ya midst while u still waitin for the beast...free ya mind,seek n u shall find...
find ya strength in the lord,in His mighty power,put on all the armour which he provides,so u might stand firm,for we fight not against flesh & blood,but against kosmik powerz,against rulers of evil in high (& low) places....ephesianz 6:11,
please,please I beg who-ever in doubt...seek n u shall find,don`t be fooled,true wisdom is the knowledge of God,not of science which is there 2 bond ya mind 2 the iniquity,instead of takin u bac 2 ya essence.....PEACE & LOVE.

KILLUMINATI ALL THRU YA BODY,WITH THA IMPAKT OF A 12-GAUGE SHORTY.

[edd]

Christianity=Platonism of the masses

[makaveli]

for those claiming that " what about the unexplainable", i suggest that you read works of John Aquinas/ You will be shocked. Some of the works of these philosophers have anwers to every one of your questions.

My questions are these?

If the bible existed for so many years, why do Africans get to hear about it in the last century?

Was God created by man to fulfill a void in the circle of life? We had to come from somehwere? so we create a super natural being to explain it? That could be the reason different communities had different gods

Is there one God? If there is, are there several variations of the same God?

Which religion is the right one? Christianity, Islam, Budhist, Scientology, Jewish, Hindu? If all of them are right, then Jesus Christ is not the salvation?