[Muhubiri]

One who worships no god created himself
One who worships a false god created him
One who worships the true God knows the creator

One who created himself will destroy himself
One who creats his own god dies with him
One who was created by God will never die

A god who created no man can save no man
A god who man created will deceive some men
God who created all men can save all men

A fool says in his heart there is no God
A doubter says to himself God is too far
A believer says to all others I see God

Muhubiri

[MercedesK]

Mhubiri

Nice poem

I gather that you are targetting this poem to quote, "disbelievers"

But can someone attempt to explain to me one thing. Why does God play tricks on us? Does it have to be tricky to know that he is God? I mean, if it was so evident that he is the one and only I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to choose another discourse to their own destruction.

People become pagan or choose quote in quote "other" religions because they are not convinced enough. Is it their fault. To be honest if you ask me they are innocent. I don't think someone can outknowingly defy God if he knows the consequences.

Most people who chose conventional religion do so out of fear. Fear of reprimand on "Judgement Day". Is it therefore right to blame those who chose not to "worship God" out of fear but rather make valid attempts to find out the truth?

Religion based on fear makes us lead false lives.

I don't know how God works but I hope that he is fair enough to judge everyone by his/her circumstances. No one willingly chooses to be a fool.

Peace.

[visio]

This is my two cents about the matter Merck.I know there is air because I breathe it.I may not see it or touch,but sure do know its there.Same thing with God,I may not see Him or touch Him, but one thing is for sure,when I call to Him in my moment of desperation,He comes through for me.I pray for situations and He hears me and answers me.His answer may not always be what I want to hear,but in the long run I understand why.I have asked for doors to opened,but instead the have shut and I have had such disappointement,then down the road I find that the company I really wanted to work for just laid off all its new hires and the company that hired me,that i really did not want to work for,just gave me a promotion and a green card.I have learnt to accept God's will over my life because He sees eons of years away and He knows what is best for me.So even though I cannot see Him the intricacies of how my body is built,the seasons that change, babies that grow in their mother's wombs,birds flying,each unique sunset that no human artist can replicate on canvas....all this is too loft for me to understand and I know its no human hands, its the hand of God.

[MercedesK]

and Visio,
That is perfectly fine. But not everyone reasons like you. Lots of people do not have your insight, especially when crap happens and God is supposed to be there. Do'nt tell me you have never gone through a time you wondered why he did what he did or why some things happened to you and he is there. If you have not then either it is coming or you are too fixated it will never come.

But like I said, fact that one does not 'nyita' does not mean that they are evil. They are also trying to come into grips with the meaning of existense.

[Muhubiri]

Thank MercedesK;

I don't think that God is playing a trick on anyone. Perhaps its just because when we encounter Him or his message it is soo 'unbelievable'. Somehow we would like for God to come to our level, speak our lingua and plainly explain the many mysteries associated with this life and the heareafter.

This is not a bad request. Infact he challenges us to seek Him, and we will find, knock and the door will be open, ask and it will be given.

The language that comes back to us..or for that matter the strange fanatics do not do justice to our getting closer to the questions in our minds.

One look at my circumstances and I know that somewhere somehow someone cared enough for me to give me life. Yes life has its moment but majority of the time, there are so many things I am thankful for. The problem I get into is that even if I would like to say asante, I cannot see, touch or feel Him.

So I say.. Ok even if I don't see you I will try carry on a conversation with you. Then there is this thing called faith that he gives me. It allows me to 'see , hear and reach out and touch Him'.

Sure I have fear of doing wrong, but this also is healthy. I think the bad thing is to get vibes that there is something more to this life and not investigate further.

If one dares to get on his knees and say, God I believe you are there. Please reveal youself to me. I am confused and would like to understand you better.

If you spied a kachic and you thought she was cool..or a dude for that matter the first steps of approach are awkward.. but because of the mapenzi, you press on.

What I know is that God loves you, in whatever state you are in. If you have desire in your heart to understand Him, He will surely make a way.

[Msoto]

....A good explanation @ merck is CARTESIAN DUALISM...by Descartes...

But more importantly merck is knowing there is a God is a matter of faith and patience....and slowly it becomes evident through the relationships you have with fellow human beings.....

Sometimes we get more curveballs than we expect....but what is important is that at this time GOD is also with us....God seeks to help us in the everyday journeys...when we are slipping and we seem to think everything is lost...at that moment the answer lies within or around us..."seek him and you shall find him....seek him truthfully"....

One may say that it is fanaticism or blind faith believing in God. On the Contrary, it enlightens me and builds my relationships with other people....we tend to become more humble..understanding and thats what I think counts in life.

[Msoto]

I concur with Mhubiri.....

[therefore I am]

It's frightening to see God being compared with oxygen and hydrogen knowing very well that is an impossibility.

For anyone to understand this whole issue at hand,the best thing to do is to come to terms with hardcore non-abstract facts.The very first being that God is and irrationality;meaning that the 'concept' God is far above the reaches of human cognition.We cannot grasp God with the use of reason and logic alone.So it is at this point that another irrationality comes in,and that we call faith.The five senses are not prerequisites of faith;and that is why it's an irrationality.That is if knowledge only comes from what we experience.

Mercedesk,when one does not 'nyita' it does not mean they are evil;but the root of the 'un-nyitaing' should be looked at.We live in a world of cause and effect and every issue has it's 'legitimate' side.Now,SINCE God exists(I think here we all agree to that)and He's been potrayed as all-good then it would be right to claim that there's a force that is all-bad.By now the character,the devil,must be around this idea.It's a universal law that opposites exists.

[Mungiki]

MWENE NYAGA CREATED ALL MEN!!

[Shifta]

If man rejected Jesus who was on our level then majority of people would reject God and his message if he made so simple for you to comprehend.If you try to understand too much and dissect faith like we dissect cells then our minds will go crazy and we shall end up in a nut house.

Have faith in God and for the non believers,they shall carry their own cross.Its not for you to decide or try to comprehend what God will do with them.God has a right to do what he wants with you.The book of Job was an example of how man can be tested by God at any time.The true test comes when you either accept God or reject him.


The Shifta