[Saintskid]

Moses, Joshua etc couldn't reconcile Man with God, because they were "men". God himself(Jesus) had to come, and for a moment on that cross, be guilty of everything man did and will ever do. John 12:32, Jesus said, "When I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." God's whole plan from Adam,Eve etc was to draw all men to him. Jesus wouldn't have said this if he wasn't God. Keep seeking.

[Proletariat]

"if u have seen me you have seen
>the father" is like you dont have to see
>E.G. a boss can......

Is this not blasphemy? And before Jesus people like Moses never told Isralites the same stuff. He made them realise that there was/is God Yahweh.

You men God didn't answer their prayers?

Jesus simply taught about Christianity(worshipping God through Him) but he can be ommited in peoples parayers, and GOD will still answer them.

[Proletariat]

If we talk about the God the Father, God the Son, can we also talk og God the Mother?

God in three persons, is not only illogical but also mathematicall wrong.

[Proletariat]

>Moses, Joshua etc couldn't reconcile Man
>with God, because they were "men". God
>himself(Jesus) had to come, and for a
>moment on that cross, be guilty of
>everything man did and will ever do.
>John 12:32, Jesus said, "When I am
>lifted up from the earth, will draw all
>men to myself." God's whole plan from
>Adam,Eve etc was to draw all men to him.
>Jesus wouldn't have said this if he
>wasn't God. Keep seeking.

How did Jesus reconcile man with God and people even today didn't stop sinning, and worse those who call themselves christians?

[Saintskid]

How did Jesus reconcile man with God and people even today didn't stop sinning, and worse those who call themselves christians?

It didn't mean that people would stop sinning. Jesus was the sacrifice and it's through him that all sin is forgiven,and only if you ask. As far as mathematical reason behind the Trinity, if God is the creator then we cannot rationalize any of his actions. What are the odds of something you create, being able to rationalize your thought process? God is an Awesome wonder and the least we can do is surrender to the wonder of His power.

[down for christ]

my people perish becoz of luck of knowledge read the word and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you the truth thats is how you learn don perish yet the source is available

[teejay]

>I think there is a very clear
>distinction between God and Jesus
>Christ, the prophet, the son of Joseph.
>Forget about the scripture, "if you have
>seen me you have seen the father."

How can you ask Christians to forget about the scripture yet this is our weapon in the spiritual warfare.

>Jesus acknowledged very well that he was
>not God, but sent by God. It is then
>wrong to say that Jesus is God. It is
>like saying that Moses, Jeremiah,
>Isaiah, or Mugo wa Kibiru are/were God.

Of course in his earthly body he was not God He was a servant of God and so are the others who were sent by God.

Let us first begin with Knowing christ Better.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD.

It is significant that the Apostle John began his Gospel with the words: "In the beginning." He obviously intended that his record should start with the same words as Genesis, that is, with creation. Since his explicit purpose in writing was to win his readers to Christ as Son of God and Savior (John 20:30,31), he realized the foundational importance of prior belief in special creation of all things by God. People need to know Jesus Christ as offended Creator before they can believe with understanding in Him as sin-bearing Savior and Redeemer. A foundation of true creationism as the only meaningful context for true evangelism is thus revealed through John under divine inspiration.

Word During Christ days Greek was the main Language spoken.Therefore The "Word" (Greek logos) is the first of at least a dozen titles given to Christ in this first chapter of John's Gospel. Note the others: "the Light" (John 1:7,8,9); "only begotten Son" (John 1:14,18); "Jesus Christ" (John 1:17); "the Lord" (John 1:23); "Lamb of God" (John 1:29,36); "Master" (John 1:38); "King of Israel" (John 1:49); "Son of God" (John 1:34,49); "Son of man" (John 1:51); "Jesus of Nazareth" (John 1:45); "Messiah" (John 1:41). Probably, "the Word of God" (a phrase used 1200 times in the Old Testament) is the most meaningful (Psalm 33:6; Hebrews 11:3; 2 Peter 3:5).

Word was God
This is a very strong assertion that Jesus is God. The eternal Word, who was to be made man (John 1:14), is God (not merely "a god" as some have alleged) and is the same God who created heaven and earth in the beginning. In fact, He is the only "true God" (1 John 5:20) who was there "in the beginning."

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

beginning
The definite article has been supplied. The actual Greek is en arche--that is, "in beginning." The "Word of God" thus was there before the creation of the space/mass/time universe, so that John's "beginning" even antecedes the Genesis "beginning," extending without an initial beginning into eternity past, before even time was created. Note also John 17:24, where Jesus, in His humanity, acknowledged that He was with the Father and loved by the Father, "before the foundation of the world."

with God
The "Word of God" (Jesus Christ) was God yet also "with God." Thus, God is both personal and plural (in a uni-plural sense only, a mysterious category that makes sense only in terms of the doctrine of the Trinity).

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

made by him
This is an emphatic statement declaring that Jesus Christ, before His incarnation, had made everything in the universe. He is the God of Genesis 1:1; the God of all creation. Furthermore, note that "all things were made." They are not now being made, as the concept of evolution requires. The Creator rested from all His work of creating after the six days of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3). Also, note the past tense in such passages as Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2,3.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

life
The last part of John 1:3 and the first part of John 1:4 can also be read as follows: "That which was made was life in Him." As Paul said: "In him we live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:28).

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not

comprehended
The darkened minds of sin-blinded men could not come to the light when it was offered to them because they would not. "Men loved darkness, rather than light, because their deeds were evil" (John 3:19; note 2 Corinthians 4:6; Genesis 1:3).

>When Jesus died on the cross, there was
>darkness, earthquake, and also the
>curtain split into two. The significance
>of the curtain spliting into two was two
>symbolize that all have access to God
>directly, not through anybody else.

>Why do Christians pray God through Jesus
>Christ? Suppose I ommit Jesus Christ as
>an intermediary in my Prayers. Does it
>mean that God will not Listen to me?

I will try to explain this best to you throught help of the holy sprit who has granted me the knowlegde so that it may be reavealed unto those that have no clue.

I will not put a blame on any one but try to find why despite people going to church they seem not to understand the bible.Most preachers and Pastors(Leaders and founeder's of Churches)do not preach the messege of prophecy to their congragation WHY??? Because the messege of Prophecy is very harsh and might drive away those poeple who bring most cash in the church.The Old testament Highlights on the Coming of Christ and his might.

Having known that I shall try and answer your question on Curtain splitting and Prayers to God.

Going through the historical books of the bible

(Joshua,Judges,Ruth,1 Samuel,2 Samuel,1 Kings,2 Kings,1 Chronicles, 2Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther)We find that In those times inside the temple they made holy place as directed by God himself.. Here God had manifested His glory above the mercy seat. No one but the high priest ever lifted the veil(Curtain) separating this apartment from the rest of the temple. He entered in once a year to make an atonement for the sins of the people.

Apperently Christ's Crucifixtion is coinciding with the atonement day in the temple.All is terror and confusion. The priest is about to slay the victim; but the knife drops from his nerveless hand, and the lamb escapes(the knife drops because the priest is full of fear)Before entering the holy apartment one had to totally cleanse himself spiritually lest you die instantly. Type has met antitype in the death of God's Son. The great sacrifice has been made. The way into the holiest is laid open. A new and living way is prepared for all. No longer need sinful, sorrowing humanity await the coming of the high priest. Henceforth the Saviour was to officiate as priest and advocate in the heaven of heavens. It was as if a living voice had spoken to the worshipers: There is now an end to all sacrifices and offerings for sin. The Son of God is come according to His word, ", I come to do Thy will, O God." "By His own blood" He entereth "in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Heb. 10:7; 9:12.

The most holy place of the earthly sanctuary is no longer sacred.WHY?????The Curtain of the temple is torn from top to bottom by an unseen hand, throwing open to the gaze of the multitude a place once filled with the presence of God.

The whole actvity above means that there was to be no more sacrifices and not a shallow explanation that has been given for it in this post by Proletariat.Further to that it should also tell you the reason Christains call on Christ in their payers.

>Jesus Christ is portrayed as an
>infallible human being. He used to cry,
>laugh, even drove away people who had
>turned synagogue, not Church, a hide-out
>of thieves.
>
>I believe every coin has two sides and
>there is some bad things about Jesus we
>are not told, and that is why he emerged
>as a "savior" of people.
>
>In the books of Acts, it is written that
>a lot of truthful books written about
>Jesus were destroyed, and that was how
>the word came to be. Also Jesus Christ
>was the only philosopher who wrote no
>works.

You will agree with me that truth hearts,and therefore sometime people got to extreme ends to silence the truth.Despite this truth always prevails.Looking at the Acts of the Apostles we find that the aposltes were executing the Lord's work at a very risky time.They were christ's followers and people at that time hated Jesus and persecuted them for their love for Christ.In the process even anything including literature regarding their faith was an abomination at the time.The Jews had expected Christ to save them from the Hands of the Romans,seeming they had misunderstood the whole concept of the Messiah.They were awaitng one with a mighty army that which will seek and destry the strong hold of The Roman Rule,but the this was not the case as christ Had come to redeem the whole world.This made some of the Jews to even collaborate with the Roman rulership to eliminate them.

Actually if anything was destroyed about Christ's records it is was that which was of holiness and truth as opposed to Proletariat's statement that... "there is some bad things about Jesus we
are not told."Christ as the scriptures say Lived a holy life on earth until His exit.

>People like Matthew who have written
>about him, never had even a chance to
>see him. This proves that those scribes
>who wrote about Jesus Christ could have
>written a corrupt account to depict
>Jesus as the most High.

For your information This people were close Aides of christ.Mathew,John,Luke,Mark,Peter....were all his disciple.I can only say that Proletariat is getting some corrupt information either from within Him or from somewhere I cannot tell.

I shall not tackle anything About the destruction of Afican history.But it is definately false that the Event depicting the christ's evil side were destroyed .....I repeat,Christ lived a holy earthly life until His exit.

>Jesus crucifixion(sp) on Golgotha was
>just an ordinary way of Jewish
>punishment. Before him others were
>crucified, and even after his death,
>others still underwent crucifixion.

Very true about the punishment.And even today people are being sentenced to hang.Only that Christ was falsly accused.

Read your bible everyday.

[teejay]

>How did Jesus reconcile man with God and
>people even today didn't stop sinning,
>and worse those who call themselves
>christians?

He died for us.It is now upon us to decide if we want to follow him or or do without him.If we accept to follow him then he gives us a helper who guides us through.The holy spirit maintains the humanity in you so that you are able to identify bad and God.How about if it was absent.Then that which is vice becomes virtue.

Note that Christ is comming for the second time and He is picking up those who believe that he is Lord.On the other hand Satan has always fought with him therefore he is trying so hard to nullify Christ's work on earth by making sure that he has so many Humans on his side as possible.And denying Christ Is one thing that makes Satan Happy.He dispatches his spirit of doubt in man so that man has so many questions whose simple answers lie in the bible.But because he makes sure that your bible is so haevy for you,it bcomes difficult for you to read it consequently creating doubtfull issues regarding Satan's adversery.

In this way he ensures that man dwells in sin.You have seen people who say they are saved but still you cannot tell the difference in them.Why????they still continue to live their past lives.

Someone in here once said raving was no an issue as far as christainity was concerned.This person had ceased to seek to live like christ and for just small moment and intsead envied someone else.This is what Satan likes best.He will not at any circumstance approach as that creature with two horns and a tail as potrayed in some literature.He might use your best friends who you trust maybe,he migh use what you love doing.Everyone for instance wears clothes he will introduce those clothes that leaves you half naked.But what do we say in such instances.....Hiyo ni designer!!!!! Satan ni designer pia.How do I tell the difference between you and that hooker on the street yet you continue to call on the Lords name.

The key to all this answers lie in the bible.The reason bible can never diminish is its God word and HE keeps repeating what he has he has tough man again and again.

When That person who beleives in the Lord sins and he goes down on his knees and asks the Lord for his mercy Christ listens.But what about that sceptic person???????

As Saintskid Puts it........God is an Awesome wonder and the least we can do is surrender to the wonder of His power.

[lizz]

<<jesus acknowledged very well that he was not God, but sent by God. It is then wrong to say that Jesus is God.>> the bible says i am the way the truth n the life no one comes to the father but by me.about prayin directly to God he hears theres no problem with that but jc has to b there to intercede for us thats what the bible says.ever heard about the sayin:if ur suffering from truth decay then brush up on ur bible.then u will know the truth no harm intended