Is God within you?

[Devine]

Are we already experiencing heaven and hell here on earth, or do we soldier through this time on earth for the ultimate gift of joy with God in 'Heaven' while everyone else suffers in hell for millions of years?

[Realistik Dreamer]

In answer to your titled question the anwer is YES.

How do we know this?

Because our BLACK ANCESTORS who had been around a little longer than any other peoples had come to the same conclusion.

(every time we talk about ancestors people go into "oh this primitive jive" reflex mode. Such educated sophisticated Africans forget that most of what they think they know (or believe) COMES FROM SOMEBODY'S ANCESTOR!!)


Imagine that for a second...

Its all about your locus of control.

Most African nations state in various symbolic language that YOU ARE GOD.

(even the Trio from the middle east who many Africans still look to for guidance answers reveal in quick sudden and paradoxical flashes...this knowledge that they got from Africa-read their tales carefully.....)

What you do with this knowledge can build or destroy you.

Humility and Thirst for True Knowledge and self control is our guide through our vainglorious petty instincts...

You cant close your eyes and conjure up a million dollars or wish someone you loathe a vile disease to visit his body.This weak and silly interpretation of the knowledge of The Creator has been taken up though and you see it everyday....everywhere.

Knowing YOUR TRUE BLACK SELF and ACCEPTING YOUR RESPONSIBILITY makes you DIVINE in ACTION & SPEECH.

You strive for perfection in THIS LIFE, ON THIS EARTH, IN THIS SOCIETYknowing that the minute you are born you are ALWAYS BECOMING into what you must.....

WE ARE AFRICANS!!

[Devine]

Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

You strive for perfection in THIS LIFE, ON THIS EARTH, IN THIS SOCIETYknowing that the minute you are born you are ALWAYS BECOMING into what you must.....

Interesting, but I've been wondering about that lately. Do we have to strive to become who we are or are we already as we should be, no effort necessary because we are who we are.

[Realistik Dreamer]

Originally Posted by Devine

Interesting, but I've been wondering about that lately. Do we have to strive to become who we are or are we already as we should be, no effort necessary because we are who we are.

Perfection doesnt just happen! A skilled Carpenter doesnt just emerge because s/he has "innate" skills.

There is years of training, mistakes to make, dilligence to apply.

This is why even a gifted person say in mathematics must strive for perfection. At his/her level.

His Ka/will or Soul will not let him rest until he gets on with the power of his mind and applies himself usefully.

Or he self destructs!

Becomes cynical and lifeless (no joy-meaning in life)

This is true for EVERY VOCATION.

Whether you are blessed innately or not APPLICATION of oneself towards PERFECTION is the TRUE MEANING OF LIFE.

This is why anybody who tells Africans to just accept mediocrity (underdevelopment, witchcraft, cynicism, filth, hopelessness, poverty, ignorance, self-hate etc) as a deal for getting into little white heaven (the meek shall inherit) is just joking.

We have to be serious. Is YOUR LIFE having a meaning or not?Period.

The meaning you choose then becomes your BECOMING........

When I see some youth in Mashada going we the "best, BADDEST tribe" mode as adviced by their village chieftain I laugh.

They are so clueless little morons who do not understand the ACTUAL VALUE of their 3 score & 10 yrs. So to speak.

[kip2002]

You cannot be perfect by your own human power. When we believe in jesus name, he sents his holy spirit to live in us and the holysprit will guige is in our daily lifes, making us live a spritual and good life. This is because by nature, humans are born sinners, and no matter how much we try to be good, evil always overtakes us, that is why we need jesus help. About being in hell, no hell is not yet here, if you read revelation in the bible, hell is way bad than all the evil we see today in the world. Remember in hell, there is no death which helps humans end there suffering, so if someone in hell hurts you with a sharp panga in your head, you are not going to die, but the real pain is there my friend, that is worst form of hell. Remember the bible says people will desire to die, but death will run away from them.

[chotadipo]

Originally Posted by kip2002

You cannot be perfect by your own human power. When we believe in jesus name, he sents his holy spirit to live in us and the holysprit will guige is in our daily lifes, making us live a spritual and good life. This is because by nature, humans are born sinners, and no matter how much we try to be good, evil always overtakes us, that is why we need jesus help. About being in hell, no hell is not yet here, if you read revelation in the bible, hell is way bad than all the evil we see today in the world. Remember in hell, there is no death which helps humans end there suffering, so if someone in hell hurts you with a sharp panga in your head, you are not going to die, but the real pain is there my friend, that is worst form of hell. Remember the bible says people will desire to die, but death will run away from them.

What I find more amazing than what you have written above is that you actually belive in this folk tale!!!

[YB*]

Originally Posted by Devine

Are we already experiencing heaven and hell here on earth, or do we soldier through this time on earth for the ultimate gift of joy with God in 'Heaven' while everyone else suffers in hell for millions of years?

Why would we need to soldier to get a gift elsewhere?? I read somewhere that people go to hell get punished for their sins that they were born with. Huh!!

It makes perfect sense when you teach someone a lesson, giving them a chance to reform in their lifetimes. Now the logic applied by Christianity about humanity does not hold water about the after life being the payment.

Its now 2000 yrs later and man still sins, exactly how many more examples of this does God need to know man will never change - he compounds the issue by changing the players every 70 odd years. So mankind will never change because those who learn lessons die off - meaning this whole, mankind will change as a whole crap will never happen.

Your life is now, your heaven is here, your hell is here. Live right, do right, and let God's will work without interference from you. Thats your heaven.

[qrst]

Yes,I believe in God.

I dont know how true this is but a very wise person once told me that heaven and hell is what you experience here on earth.If your experiences are bad then thats hell,if they are good,thats heaven.you should of course be guided by what is a virtue or a vice,Moral or immoral e.t.c

[Mtumishi wa Mungu]

Originally Posted by chotadipo

what i find more amazing than what you have written above is that you actually belive in this folk tale!!!

Folk tale? nothing could be more certain than heaven and hell... Perhaps this resource can be helpful to you... mary k baxter a divine revelation of hell heaven

Some extracts from this article:
"An evil sound began to rise from the left of us. I looked, and Satan was standing with his back to us, and he was all aflame. But he was not being burned; rather, it was he who caused the fire. Now he stood engulfed in the flames, enjoying the cries of these poor, lost souls. As Satan moved his arms, great balls of fire shot from him. Heartbreaking screams and great cries of pain came from the cells. The souls inside were being burned alive by this hotter than hot lake of fire, and yet they could not die. The demons, too, joined in the laughter as Satan went from cell to cell, torturing the lost. Jesus said, "Satan feeds on evil. He glories in pain and suffering and gains power from it"...
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"Jesus said, "All these who occupy the cells of hell heard the true gospel while they were alive on earth. Many times My salvation was offered to them. Many times My Spirit drew them, but they would not hearken or come unto Me to be saved."As Jesus was speaking, Satan was saying to his subjects, "Ha-ha, this is your kingdom-all the kingdom you will ever have. My kingdom covers all the earth and the world below." I heard him shout, "This is your life for eternity!" While cries of regret came from the burning cells."
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The skeleton form of a woman with a dirty-grey mist inside was talking to Jesus. In shock, I listened to her. Decayed flesh hung by shreds from her bones, and, as it burned, it fell off into the bottom of the pit. Where her eyes had once been were now only empty sockets. She had no hair.The fire started at her feet in small flames and grew as it climbed up and over her body. The woman seemed to be constantly burning, even when the flames were only embers. From deep down inside her came cries and groans of despair, "Lord, Lord, I want out of here!"She kept reaching out to Jesus. I looked at Jesus, and there was great sorrow on His face. Jesus said to me, "My child, you are here with Me to let the world know that sin results in death, that hell is real. I looked at the woman again, and worms were crawling out of the bones of her skeleton. They were not harmed by the fire. Jesus said, "She knows and feels those worms inside."

[teejay]

Originally Posted by Devine

Are we already experiencing heaven and hell here on earth, or do we soldier through this time on earth for the ultimate gift of joy with God in 'Heaven' while everyone else suffers in hell for millions of years?

Going by what scriptures say, The Bliss of heaven is not on this earth and neither is the torment of (what you have called)Hell.

I do not however approve the use of word Hell to imply a place of torment. Hell simply means the grave where a person is buried after his earthly life. No one suffers in their graves. If anything, a person's bones will always be found in the same position they were laid to rest in the event of an excavation.

I also disprove your statement that any person is going to elaborately suffer as result of their sinful life on earth. I do not know where you get that impression from but It is something is alien to the scriptures.