teejay, kemi, and other sabatarians

[Jerry D]

What time did God actually rest? Now in Kenya or now in Washington DC or now in Tokyo Japan? Did He rest for 48 hours to sanctify all the hours men rest across the globe? Debate!

Assume the word "Now" in the foregoing paragraph refers to Friday's sunset Kenyan time.

[Augustine]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

What time did God actually rest? Now in Kenya or now in Washington DC or now in Tokyo Japan? Did He rest for 48 hours to sanctify all the hours men rest across the globe? Debate!

Assume the word "Now" in the foregoing paragraph refers to Friday's sunset Kenyan time.

Dude, the Days of creation are ordinary-length days....just the darn 24hrs.

The idea that each day represented an era of like a thousand yrs is ridiculousn abnoxious!

If, 1 day= 1000 years to God as some say,

then the whole old testament becomes chaotic,

Why?

Look at (Genesis 7: 1 7), "And the flood was forty days upon the earth”

OR

(Exodus 34:28), "And he [Moses] was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights”

If that was the case, did moses live for millions of years? The ans is NO!

Ok, Second eg.

Adam = created by god on the 6th day!

The 6th day = 1000years as thought by many!

(Genesis 5:5)....says Adam died at age 930 years!

Now, 930 multiply by the supposedly 1000years = 930 000 years that Adam lived....which is ofcoz not true.

So it brings reality back to life that,

A day to God is just a normal 24 hr day!!!!

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by Augustine

A day to God is just a normal 24 hr day!!!!

This thread presumes that God actually created the whole earth and things in it in six literal days. In that case, therefore, I want to enquire:

If God supposedly started resting at 6.30pm Eden time (assuming Eden was somewhere in Iraq), then that particular time wasn't the dawn of Sabbath in the area currently occupied by New York.

Was New York, therefore, sanctified sabbatically?

[Augustine]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

This thread presumes that God actually created the whole earth and things in it in six literal days. In that case, therefore, I want to enquire:

If God supposedly started resting at 6.30pm Eden time (assuming Eden was somewhere in Iraq), then that particular time wasn't the dawn of Sabbath in the area currently occupied by New York.

Was New York, therefore, sanctified sabbatically?

If you then think "God" created time, you are incorrect. Its man who created time to explain why everything doesnt happen at the same instant.

So YES Newyork was sanctified sabbatically! despite the fact that it has a different time zone!

Countries near the poles and within the arctic circle have 6 months of night, and six months of day......during them six months of day light...do they still go to bed? YES! Do they still count dayz in 24hr periods..YES!

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by Augustine

So YES Newyork was sanctified sabbatically! despite the fact that it has a different time zone!

if New York was also sanctified at the time of God's rest, then the inhabitants of New York should start resting at the sunset time of Iraq (or wherever Eden was) instead of starting to rest at their own sunset.

That is, if the sunset of Iraq happen to be 7.00pm Iraqi time, which time could be 1.00pm New York time, then the inhabitants of New York should start keeping the sabbath day holy at 1.00pm, not six hours later.

[teejay]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

This thread presumes that God actually created the whole earth and things in it in six literal days. In that case, therefore, I want to enquire:

If God supposedly started resting at 6.30pm Eden time (assuming Eden was somewhere in Iraq), then that particular time wasn't the dawn of Sabbath in the area currently occupied by New York.

Was New York, therefore, sanctified sabbatically?

I get your Point, which is basically saying that Sabbath day cannot be experienced at the same time given that different time Zones occasioned by the rotational nature of a spherical earth along the orbit.

We could however use the Jews as our model to determined the exact time that God begun resting. Ancient Sabbath Observance reveals that Sabbath Actually began on Sun Down of the Preparation day (today called Friday). All work ended on Friday evening in order for the Jews to usher in the Sabbath. This is most probably 6,6:30, 7, 7:30. In addition to that let us also recall ancient reckoning of time puts the beginning the next at Sundown of the previous one. So that if today is Friday, Saturday is ushered in on Friday evening (that could be last minute of 6pm).

It is also worth noting that as time progressed, the Gentiles also came to know about the Sabbath and therefore it became necessary for those who observed Sabbath to come to a common agreement on the exact timing of the beginning of Sabbath.

This means that if the Church agreed on 6:30pm as the Sundown then all Sabbath Keepers follow Suit including those in different time Zones as soon as they reach their various 6:30s.

I say single out time Zones because, I am well aware of the scientific fact there places on this earth where the sun never sets or even rises in particular periods, and there also those places where there sun goes down very late, well past our usual Kenyan 6 pm time.

Finally let me say that it was God who set the rules on when to usher the Sabbath. It is thus suffice to say that following the Jewish example in observing the Sabbath is okay. One only needs to observe the clock to be able to determine.

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by teejay

Finally let me say that it was God who set the rules on when to usher the Sabbath. It is thus suffice to say that following the Jewish example in observing the Sabbath is okay.

My problem is that majority observe non-holy hours as holy hours. Sanctified hours are ONLY those hours that God did rest. If God rested 7.00pm Friday to 7.00pm Saturday Iraqi time, then those are the EXACT hours that are holy. A New Yorker working at 7.00pm Iraqi time should be considered as breaking the sabbath.

[KEMINOKANA]

We know that the Sabbath was created for man. We know that in the beginning, God created Adam and Eve and put them in Eden. Thus the Sabbath day fell on Eden time on the seventh day. There were no humans outside of Eden and so the sabbath didn't apply to the various time zones.

People are in various countries due to migration. So when you migrate to a new place where day and night fall on different time zones from where you come from, you keep the new time zone. But God only rested on Eden time. I don't see why the other time zones' sabbaths would have to be sanctified individually.

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

I don't see why the other time zones' sabbaths would have to be sanctified

If I delete the word individually from your sentence, your opinion now reveals my underlying problem.

By the way, about creation...when the evening and the morning were the first day, was it according to the local time of Eden? When God created the land, the oceans, the firmament, the global features...and the evening and the morning were the second/third/forth day...was it according to subjective numeration of days?

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

If I delete the word individually from your sentence, your opinion now reveals my underlying problem.

By the way, about creation...when the evening and the morning were the first day, was it according to the local time of Eden? When God created the land, the oceans, the firmament, the global features...and the evening and the morning were the second/third/forth day...was it according to subjective numeration of days?

JD,

Those are good questions....none of which any one of us can conclusively answer. Even as reasonable as my previous answer sounds, it's pretty much a deduction on my part i.e speculation.

Genesis is quite a mystery. For example, in the beginning, God created the heavens AND the earth. That's where creation starts...but the bible doesn't tell us how many days/years passed before God saw the earth as needing abit of decoration and actually started creation by creating daylight and darkness. Neither does it tell us where this light was coming from. The light made day, darkness made night. So our scientific day and night that comes from the sun doesn't match up with the 'day' and 'night' God started with. The sun was created much later in creation.