Satan is not evil he is Christians true savior not Jesus.

[wajibu]

A while back someone pointed out how Satan is the unsung hero. Satan is not evil, he is the truth if I was a Christian I would trust him more and skeptical about God intentions. Satan is only guilty for being principled and rebelling against God’s evil ways. God being the ego maniac who hates dissidents and criticism condemned him to hell and blamed him for his evil ways. Christians can’t pinpoint anywhere in the bible where Satan is responsible for causing evil but I will exhibit numerous instances God was evil. God has admitted creating evil. Sometimes, Satan sounds likes Gods alter ego than an adversary. Even when Satan approached Adam and Eve he did not threaten with evil; he was presented and articulated his case which turned out to be true. God in his evil genius had entrusted the future of humankind on two naïve people. Who was more deceptive God or Satan? Did Satan commit delusion of grandeur by offering Adam and eve path of truth? What kind of benevolent God would banish and punish the entire human race for finding the truth from Satan. Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil so they had no way of knowing what’s wrong. God being omniscient was too aware of what would happen.

This is the only true instances in the bible where Satan is involved with inflicting evil

• Job 1:6-2:3. In these 2 chapters Satan kills Jobs family, takes away everything he has and give him a horrible disease but all with the permission from God. He asks God if he could do those things to him.

On the flip side God is twisted, evil and a psychopath capable of the most horrible crimes

• Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.

• God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

• Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.

• Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn’t give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7

• Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.

• God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6

• God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting.. Exodus 21:7

• Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don’t know about you, but death is a pretty harsh f@cking punishment.

• Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shill ye eat.

• Leviticus 27:28-29: God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.

• Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses’ soldiers

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• Deuteronomy 3:3-7: God ordered Moses’ army to "utterly destroy" 60 cities, killing all the women and children within.

• Deuteronomy 7:12: God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, "show no mercy unto them".

• Deuteronomy 20:16: God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance

[defren]

Forget about all that, live abide the ten commandments you'll be in a different world trust me, am a homosapien too.

[Jamalanga]

Mathew 24 .mathew 24. mathew 24.mathew 24.mathew 24.Revelation 6 Revelation 6 Revelation 6.((Jesus is coming back soon ..Jesus is coming back soon.))

[chowkidar]

[QUOTE=wajibu;874782][LEFT][*]Job 1:6-2:3. In these 2 chapters Satan kills Jobs family, takes away everything he has and give him a horrible disease but all with the permission from God. He asks God if he could do those things to him.
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Satan doesn't have the power to kill people, but to induce them to kill themself, or to kill others, including their families, Satan is the one who tells you to do that things, but you are the one that take the action.
That's the reason that Satan only has few kills in the bible.
But if you notice, i.e. sodoma and gomorra were burned because satan induced that behavior (killing, drinking, orgys) to the people's minds.
Satan's most dangerous power is to fools people's mind.

[Mtumishi wa Mungu]

Originally Posted by wajibu

[LEFT]]God has admitted creating evil.

God creates Good and evil, he creates life and fire and leaves us to choose what we want.. Obedience is the key.. you choose good and you have it, you choose evil and you have it.. How is God evil when he has given you a personal will to decide what you want? It is when people choose evil and get it that they think God is evil.. IT is clear that everyone who seeks finds, everyone who knocks it is opened, everyone who prays is heard.. Choose wisely.. God is Good all the time..

Deuteronomy 11.26-29 NIV
See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse. the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today; the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known."

Psalm 18.25-26 NIV
"To the faithful you show yourself faithful, to the blameless you show yourself blameless, to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd."

[Mtumishi wa Mungu]

Originally Posted by wajibu

[LEFT] Satan is not evil, he is the truth if I was a Christian I would trust him more and skeptical about God intentions.

It is clear that you do not know who Satan is.. Satan is called Accuser of the brethren.. He stands before God and accuses humans and recomends to do them evil to prove his claims.. He hates humans especially believers.. Job's story is a good example.. Compare these 2 scriptures..

John 3.16 NIV
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

John 10.10 NIV
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by chowkidar

Satan doesn't have the power to kill people, but to induce them to kill themself, or to kill others, including their families

Surely if a mortal man has the ability to kill another mortal man, then an all-powerful supernatural being like Satan must have that power too.

[Mtumishi wa Mungu]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Surely if a mortal man has the ability to kill another mortal man, then an all-powerful supernatural being like Satan must have that power too.

That's right Atlian.. You should have quoted this scripture for him..

John 10.10 NIV
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 8.44 NIV
"He was a murderer from the beginning.."

[Mtumishi wa Mungu]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Surely if a mortal man has the ability to kill another mortal man, then an all-powerful supernatural being like Satan must have that power too.

Satan is not all-powerful.. God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit are All-powerful..

Revelation 12.7-9 NIV
"And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by Mtumishi wa Mungu

God creates Good and evil

How is God evil...

How can you say "God creates evil" then is the next breath ask "How is God evil"??? Anyone who creates evil is by definition an evil being. If I build a room for which the sole purpose is for men to come and rape little babies, then I am evil, whether or not I actually ever rape a little baby myself. God both created evil and commits evil, so using my rape-room analogy, god both built the room and also participates in the rape of the babies.

Originally Posted by Mtumishi wa Mungu

It is when people choose evil and get it that they think God is evil..

There was this story in Florida where this guy had a pet python. One day it killed his girlfriend's baby. The question everyone asked was why the heck he had a python in the house in the first place knowing that there was a child in the house. Those two do not mix. His excuse was that the python was always in this one room, and the child should never have gone to that room, etc. It was a very retarded argument, just like this choice of evil argument. Why did god put that choice there in the first place? If there was no evil to chose from, then man would not commit evil! Period! In god's infinite mind, there must be infinite good choices he could have given man to chose from.

Originally Posted by Mtumishi wa Mungu

God is Good all the time..

This argument cannot hold because you restrict an all-powerful god to just being one thing. Also, it negates the definition of good since whatever god does (even drowning all the babies in the world in Noah's flood) is also seen as good.