Women "to blame" for Gay marriages

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by Me.On

No, it means that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. You do not have to worry about crossing the line, because you will never have to choose. You are what you are

Just a clarification, Me.On. I don't believe that people generally choose who to be attracted to. I was simply saying that if one believed that the average person could make that choice, then they would be terrified by homosexuality because they'd think that it was something they might succumb to if they weren't "vigilant".

Originally Posted by kreativ

..the Fr is all confused about the entire issue..he seems to forget bout his celibacy and exposes to us his tru self..the real priesthood of today

my thoughts precisely. that speech of his says a lot more about him than he'd be comfortable with if he was thinking.

Originally Posted by kreativ

...Does anybody watch this American reality comic prog on NTV on Thursday...where sme chile was told by the mum to become a nun and yet the mum still wants to have grandkids....the chile then corrects the mum by telling her tht what she means to say is tht she wants her daughter to be a priest..bcoz if so...she will definately have the granies afterall..dont ask whether there are female priest...hahaha

you have to clarify whether the mum wanted her to be a catholic priest ama a lutheran, orthodox or anglican priest. catholic priests typically cannot marry (although there are a few exceptions) and these other denominations also have the priesthood and nuns and monks. in addition, while cathos, and i believe orthodox don't ordain female priests. anglicans do. at least on this side of the atlantic. lutherans siko sure sana.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Owiti,

Do you know anything about this priest that none of us know? How/why do you conclude he's gay?

I think she read these paragraphs and decided there was something going on btwn the lines:

"Women, from the way I see it, have become too complicated and unattractive in marriage. You don't provide what God intended you to give in marriage. You have frustrated the men so much leading them to trying among themselves whether they will get the joy that comes with marriage".

"There is something very very wrong with women these days. You have failed to handle men the way you should. Men don't see anything useful in you. The job that God gave you, you have failed to do," he said.

He doesn't sound like an objective observer here. Does that make him gay? I haven't the faintest.

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by ATLian

I pity the poor congregation of St Anthony Catholic Cathedral in Malindi, because this idiot who doesn't even understand something as simple as homosexual love is meant to be the same one passing them the very complicated message of how to live in heaven forever.

lol. si there's a paragraph there where he says:

"Parents have a duty to bring up children in a righteous manner and lead them to God. Most of the evil manifested in an adult starts in childhood and parents contribute immensely to it," he said.

that is the brief "how to get to heaven" spiel.

Originally Posted by Ester

A friend of mine and I had an interesting discussion yesterday. He held the opinion that early heterosexual relations outside of marriage were a cause of homo tendencies. After the flavor of man-woman action has subsided, these people will tend to search for a greater "high," and it's down-hill from that point onwards. We're all grown ups here so I'll be real blunt with my language because I think my friend brings up an important issue. Suddenly, vajayjay's not good enough, so in a guy's case, he'll attempt going thru "where the sun don't shine."

that doesn't make sense at all, ester. considering that many of our traditions allowed sexual experimentation before marriage, if your friend's theory was correct, then homosexuality would have been a widely accepted practice in our various african tribes, long before mzungu came.
also, if the issue is being sexually active from an early age, then you should include people who get married early in this category of yours. do people who marry early get bored with sex speedy and then have a predisposition towards being gay later in life? if that was the case, wouldn't our grandparents, some of whom married as teenagers, be very ok with homosexuality? the truth is that monogamous sex becomes monotonous for everybody after a while. married or unmarried. and that is why people try to spice up their sex lives or go looking for new sexual partners. or go to church to ask for forgiveness for lusting after whoever.

if someone decides that they want to push the frontiers further and to experiment with new forms of sex that they have not tried before, then it is likely because they have the type of personality that wants to experiment, or because they have been made aware that these new "techniques" are possible and are acceptable within their circle of friends. there is also greater increase in "recreational drug use" siku hizi, which loosens people's inhibitions considerably; making it easier for them to cross lines they might have hesitated about crossing before. in short, sexuality is something complicated that is determined by a number of factors. it can't be simplified into a simple theory that explains "all".

[OOWITI]

Father Muli should know better that God does not allow us to avoid consequences of our actions by Blaming others.
He is a bitter man with unresoved issues about women.
That is a church with no leadership and the POPE needs to know!!
Blame SHIFTING - Into Thy Word Ministries

[teejay]

Originally Posted by al-zalzalah

allAfrica.com: Kenya: Priest Draws Women's Wrath Over Gays (Page 1 of 1)



discuss.

I think Father Muli forgot that Gayism is not a New thing. It began way back when women were extremely Docile. It is thus untrue to say that it is women who have frustrated the men in Marriage. I will excuse him anyway, granted fathers are people with zero experience in Marital Matters.

Men too have their own shortcomings in Marriage. I think lets just say that Both parties have abused the principles that Govern marriage. And that is why the Marriage institution is falling apart.

It is amazing that Father Muli would blindly glide over Men's sins yet land on the ground to scrutinize Women's rot. It is the height of pretence on the part of the Clergy.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by Ester

A friend of mine and I had an interesting discussion yesterday. He held the opinion that early heterosexual relations outside of marriage were a cause of homo tendencies. After the flavor of man-woman action has subsided, these people will tend to search for a greater "high," and it's down-hill from that point onwards.

Then practically everyone on Mashada is gay, since practically everyone here has engaged in pre-marital sex.

Your friend's argument has to be one of the dumbest one's I've heard in a while.

[OOWITI]

father muli needs a woman to make his life happy.father muli sounds very frustrated.like father cutie of miami discovered happiness in marriage, father muli should do the same and stop directing his frustration on women.father muli needs a woman. KNX - Father Cutie's Racy Beach Photos

[OOWITI]

[QUOTE=teejay;875382]

Men too have their own shortcomings in Marriage. I think lets just say that Both parties have abused the principles that Govern marriage. And that is why the Marriage institution is falling apart.Many men are leading a double life
Down Low--DL--Down Low Man

[Fraglante]

Fr Muli said men were resorting to marrying one another probably because the women had failed to provide what they should in marriage.

"Women, from the way I see it, have become too complicated and unattractive in marriage. You don't provide what God intended you to give in marriage. You have frustrated the men so much leading them to trying among themselves whether they will get the joy that comes with marriage".

LMAO Blistering barnacles!! This is the most absurd thing I have heard today! Stupid father that one!

Ati now coz my wife wunt do this or that am going to file for a divorce and talk to Kamau nicely?? LOL Its like saying'...ammm I would hate to become a cannibal but since this rice doesn’t look so appetizing, I think I’ll just eat my neighbors mtoi'.

Jeez! One cannot choose to become gay when shi.t hits the roof unless they have always had gay tendencies. Now they just have an excuse to come out of the closet-ati oh women have failed blah blah nonsense!

[OOWITI]

Fraglante
I have been struggling to make sense with this Father Muli nonsense and you are the only one who has helped me see the "madness" behind his nonsense.Thank God for your smart Reasoning!!!
I can now rest in Peace!

[Ester]

Al-z, Atlian,

Originally Posted by al-zalzalah

that doesn't make sense at all, ester. considering that many of our traditions allowed sexual experimentation before marriage, if your friend's theory was correct, then homosexuality would have been a widely accepted practice in our various african tribes, long before mzungu came.
also, if the issue is being sexually active from an early age, then you should include people who get married early in this category of yours. do people who marry early get bored with sex speedy and then have a predisposition towards being gay later in life? if that was the case, wouldn't our grandparents, some of whom married as teenagers, be very ok with homosexuality? the truth is that monogamous sex becomes monotonous for everybody after a while. married or unmarried. and that is why people try to spice up their sex lives or go looking for new sexual partners. or go to church to ask for forgiveness for lusting after whoever.

Well, people in olden times didn't live as long as they do today. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to place the average lifespan at about 40 years. Nowadays, people are living until their 80s-90s, but they're still getting married in their 20s and 30s on average, and experimenting with sex during teenage.

One consequence of longevity is that marriages can now be expected to span five or six decades. At this rate, many people are starting to question whether monogamy is outdated. Swinging and polyamory are just a few lifestyles being practiced by mainstream couples. Where do we draw the line? Is there a line?

Furthermore, in olden days lots of children died in their infancy, and there was always a need for labor and defence. Therefore, I can see why relations that cannot lead to procreation would be severely discouraged. However, that's not the reason I'd attribute to the lack of queer traits in olden times. It wasn't there because neither sex was attracted to the same gender as much, to desire marriage with them. Otherwise, do you see how that argument potentially favors the crowd that believes in the existence of gay "genes?"

I understand a barren Kalenjin woman was allowed to 'marry' another woman, and this lady would have children on her behalf. However, it was for customary purposes, inheritance etc...only.