[sdolphin]

Who or what is a submissive wife in the modern, African concept?
No BS please.

[ar_turr]

submission in what area;sex,uganda style 'submission' ama the whole package?

[okiedokes]

Girl, as long as that word "submissive" is used to refer to a woman's role most men will never conform to the modern. I don't even think african cultures have adopted the modern concept.

You can even see that most men are uncomfortable with Obama's wife b/c she is kind of side by side with her man and not behind him. They also weren't comfortable with Kerry's wife b/c she was "opinionated".

But to answer your question I would say independent, strong, opinionated, can-do attitude yet she can still stroke his f*cking ego.

[sdolphin]

Originally Posted by ar_turr

submission in what area;sex,uganda style 'submission' ama the whole package?

The whole package.

[msema ukweli Kabisa]

Originally Posted by okiedokes

Girl, as long as that word "submissive" is used to refer to a woman's role most men will never conform to the modern. I don't even think african cultures have adopted the modern concept.

You can even see that most men are uncomfortable with Obama's wife b/c she is kind of side by side with her man and not behind him. They also weren't comfortable with Kerry's wife b/c she was "opinionated".

But to answer your question I would say independent, strong, opinionated, can-do attitude yet she can still stroke his f*cking ego.

I think your understanding of submissive is very convoluted

[sdolphin]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

I think your understanding of submissive is very convoluted

So what's you take on it then?

[ar_turr]

well i think she has to support the hubby(whether right or wrong) be on his side but not behind him.....a partner but not a surbodinate.and most of all respect...
centi mbili

[msema ukweli Kabisa]

Originally Posted by sdolphin

So what's you take on it then?

mine is more bibilically based in a way with a mix of african culture,

I for once to believe there has to be a head of the family and it should be a man. that does not mean he is allowed to make decisions without the wife ever

I am believer of what the bible says, Husbands and wives submit to one another, its a two way

and finally before i sound like a pastor, the saddest thing is that subbmision as a word in this modern days has gotten a very negative conotation, as displayed by okie dokies reply,

[okiedokes]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

I think your understanding of submissive is very convoluted

Who are we kidding MUK? Most men think of a woman obeying their commands when the word "submissive" comes into mind in relation to a woman's role in their life. If you disagree read mo-uk's thread on "woman's place" to see the type of men I'm talking about. The bible said "women, be submissive to your husbands and men love your wife". But more often than not men conveniently forget that part.

Sdolphin asked for a modern african concept of a submissive woman. So i just let her know african traditions don't have any modern concepts. People just grow up with such beliefs until they are influenced by new environments. The difference is most women realise the injustices they've had to live with while the men feel their existence has been threatened b/c the women are finally seeing the light.

So for the enlightened woman, or more modern man "submissive" for either will boil down to her still maintaining her independence, opinions, rights, etc but will still stroke his fragile ego when need be.

Women are very powerful(mentally) than we give credit to ourselves. By stroking a man's ego, or letting him think he's incharge you will have him by the balls. No use fighting with him!!

[msema ukweli Kabisa]

Originally Posted by okiedokes

Who are we kidding MUK? Most men think of a woman obeying their commands when the word "submissive" comes into mind in relation to a woman's role in their life. If you disagree read mo-uk's thread on "woman's place" to see the type of men I'm talking about. The bible said "women, be submissive to your husbands and men love your wife". But more often than not men conveniently forget that part.

Sdolphin asked for a modern african concept of a submissive woman. So i just let her know african traditions don't have any modern concepts. People just grow up with such beliefs until they are influenced by new environments. The difference is most women realise the injustices they've had to live with while the men feel their existence has been threatened b/c the women are finally seeing the light.

So for the enlightened woman, or more modern man "submissive" for either will boil down to her still maintaining her independence, opinions, rights, etc but will still stroke his fragile ego when need be.

Women are very powerful(mentally) than we give credit to ourselves. By stroking a man's ego, or letting him think he's incharge you will have him by the balls. No use fighting with him!!

just one word, there is nothing line a woman maintaining independence

and once you use sillly liberal words like enlightened women or modern man its very hard to be objective in debates about men and women position in the society