[sinband]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

mine is more bibilically based in a way with a mix of african culture,

I for once to believe there has to be a head of the family and it should be a man. that does not mean he is allowed to make decisions without the wife ever

I am believer of what the bible says, Husbands and wives submit to one another, its a two way

and finally before i sound like a pastor, the saddest thing is that subbmision as a word in this modern days has gotten a very negative conotation, as displayed by okie dokies reply,

in modern times, submission has really no place (especially with literate pple herein referring to women mostly) and where it applies, it has to be specified. if we r talking about sexitivity freakiness, the word has a place and is well at home. if we r talking real life, husband/wife, bf/gf (i won't comment on gay &les. coz i don't support), then it depends on how each partner want or choose to be treated. for a woman, if u give in too much to ur man and be a yes this yes that person, u lose ur man's respect and he therefore grow to recent u and don't need u for jack. u'll just be the follower. a strong woman, the kind i'm searching for at this time, is the one who debate on ideas with the hubby or whoever and don't give in to ****ty deals or ideas, but by this i don't mean uwe kicwa ngumu. a man needs to feel like one u know. give a brother a breathing space na ujue no matter the case he'll still be the simba katika maskani, but just show that u r not a dummy. did i say i'm searching for the kinda woman i just described? i don't mean to sidetrack this thread but any sister with such qualities can holla. peace.

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

So at this point I introduce the word submit. If you had read my 2nd thread I delibarately said that both partners submit to each other. But when it came to the structure of the family I said that PERSONALY (this is my truth not the truth) i believe that only one person can be the head of the family. Like in a well run corperation, in the board of directors, there is always the Chairman. remember decisions are never made by the chairman, rather by the whole group, when you talk about marriages same thing. Decisions are mutually made.

btw, MUK, i wanted to ask u b4, but i forgot. according to your definition, what exactly does the head of the family do that distinguishes him as the head? is the 'headship' something symbolic, or is it that the head has the final say on certain things or something else?

[okiedokes]

[quote=msema ukweli Kabisa;686032]Okie dokie, you would notice i never for once insulted you or your ideas, I may have called your notion convoluted, or one of your premise silly, (rather should have used naive)

Next time try disagreeing in a respectful manner, it goes a long way. Alzazalzah doesn't agree with me but she's respectful about it and I extended the same courtesy to her.

Don't have time to read all the garbage you write but like I said it is about treating every human being in a just manner and that plays a role in "submission". God said "women be submissive to your husbands and husbands love your wife". That is only just and fair!!

I made mention of the fact that my response may deviate from the topic at hand(only a fool didn't notice that). Too bad I gave you way more credit than you actually deserved. Where are the 8th graders when you need them? Those are examples of injustices to women as a whole, and since you are so aware of it(duhh) how come you still have such archaic views like the ones expressed mo-uk's thread? Idiot!!!

There is a difference between anger and being passionate. I happen to be very passionate about women's issues even in my real life. But if a nut of your caliber calls it "anger" I couldn't care less. It's of no use debating with an idiot. Like I said I don't remember when you qualified as a therapist or psychologist! Yes and you are MAVI!!!!

PS: I don't intimidate, I fumigate and I'll put you out!. Bring it on mutha ****a! MAVI!!!!

[KEMINOKANA]

I will be mavi and you will be mavi ya kuku, and I bring it on. I've seen your likes come with kifua before and ended up getting new handles. LOL a kayak like you is not gon fumigate me, u'll just end up mutilated.

Now hebu post what I posted in Mo-Uk's thread that:

1. advocated for non-education of females ( FYI, I've sponsored three female children one in Zambia, two in Kenya in mathare to go to school).

2. called for honor killings

3. called for mistreatment or disrespect of women in any form

I've gone thru your posts and all are full of anger, not passion. Like MUK said, you have unresolved issues with men hence your cantankerousness. See this thread of yours All woMEN's problems start with MEN?

I'm not gon solve them, deal with them on your own and stop PMSing coz you clearly cant carry a debate without feeling your selfworth is under attack. I did not even air my views on Mo-UK's thread, just pointers to get proper debate from shoe laces with anger and self-esteem problems like you. Somebody give me a gun...I'd shoot you on the titty or FGM you punkass. You must have had an abusive father or brothers.

Arrgh some of these idiots

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

By your very strong worded responses and the anger directed to me and Kemi despite our points its easy to see that there is more than meets the eye. One may be either you come from a backgroung where a man overused their head of the family status, it may be either relatives neighbors or even your own family.

LOL this retard wants to masquarade around ati enlightenment...it is pointless being nice with her coz that's not in her interest. She even conveniently ignored where you said couples should submit to eachother....only for her to rant the same . Moron. Let me give her a fuming exercise and unleash some of her bent-up anger.

One of the women who advocated for "submission" is a medical student in an ivy league school. Then you have this retard that's probably majoring in "mavi" in some local community college lecturing us about enlightenment on women's rights thinking she's the smartest woman on earth who owns the truth on relationships. LOL I even have to laugh seeing a more accomplished woman advocate her issues in moderation while this piece of blaque is yapping to the rooftop. What a bunch of pms rubbish.

[okiedokes]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

I will be mavi and you will be mavi ya kuku, and I bring it on. I've seen your likes come with kifua before and ended up getting new handles. LOL a kayak like you is not gon fumigate me, u'll just end up mutilated.

Now hebu post what I posted in Mo-Uk's thread that:

1. advocated for non-education of females ( FYI, I've sponsored three female children one in Zambia, two in Kenya in mathare to go to school).

2. called for honor killings

3. called for mistreatment or disrespect of women in any form

I've gone thru your posts and all are full of anger, not passion. Like MUK said, you have unresolved issues with men hence your cantankerousness. See this thread of yours All woMEN's problems start with MEN?

I'm not gon solve them, deal with them on your own and stop PMSing coz you clearly cant carry a debate without feeling your selfworth is under attack. I did not even air my views on Mo-UK's thread, just pointers to get proper debate from shoe laces with anger and self-esteem problems like you. Somebody give me a gun...I'd shoot you on the titty or FGM you punkass. You must have had an abusive father or brothers.

Arrgh some of these idiots

You wish I would change my handle. Okiedokes is here to stay. B*tch you running scared! Go get cut!!! Omosioyo(lad)!!!

[okiedokes]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

LOL this retard wants to masquarade around ati enlightenment...it is pointless being nice with her coz that's not in her interest. She even conveniently ignored where you said couples should submit to eachother....only for her to rant the same . Moron. Let me give her a fuming exercise and unleash some of her bent-up anger.

One of the women who advocated for "submission" is a medical student in an ivy league school. Then you have this retard that's probably majoring in "mavi" in some local community college lecturing us about enlightenment on women's rights thinking she's the smartest woman on earth who owns the truth on relationships. LOL I even have to laugh seeing a more accomplished woman advocate her issues in moderation while this piece of blaque is yapping to the rooftop. What a bunch of pms rubbish.

TRASH!!! What is your own professional achievement lad? Oh I forgot, the psychologist with no license to practice. Or may be the statistician who correlates a "medical student" to the right stance on "submission". If that is how you measure intelligence, then you are clearly out of your league here. You are like the pieces in a chess game, I make the plays and you move just like that. B*tch is running scared and hopes I change my handle. I'll put you out!!! Idiot!!!

[african hotty]

Submissive how ?

Taking every instructions from a demanding husband or just being loyal ???

[t.D.A.]

The way I think the ideal may be described is a woman submitting to her husband is basically admitting that her role and the man's role are different but complementary: the man's job is to make the most important decisions that will function in both their interests while hers is to magnify the emotions and the beauty and manage whatever the results of those decisions are.

That's way too abstract. I think I'll read other opinions on this one.

[msema ukweli Kabisa]

Originally Posted by t.D.A.

The way I think the ideal may be described is a woman submitting to her husband is basically admitting that her role and the man's role are different but complementary: the man's job is to make the most important decisions that will function in both their interests while hers is to magnify the emotions and the beauty and manage whatever the results of those decisions are.

That's way too abstract. I think I'll read other opinions on this one.

no one put it better here than you did, al azah TDI said it perfectly