[lale]

>
>This is astonishingly very common in
>here.
>
>Sex, and nothing else... and we, as
>Kenyans, do you really wonder why our
>people are dying with AIDS like
>cockroaches?
>
>Here are a bunch of strangers impressing
>each other on talks which one would
>think needs a little of familiarity to
>have.
>
>Didn't any one ever spoke to you about
>speaking to strangers?
>
>Yes, sex is interesting and we all get
>shelly in the knees when it comes up in
>a conversation, but does it really
>matter to you, a complete stranger, what
>my ideas or principles in sexual
>relations are, apart from "whetting"
>your sexual appetite?
>
>:(


Cheers Sadik!!!....nothing more, nothing less...enuff said!

[nyawera_1]

Premarital sex does not cause emotional scars, people cause these scars. The way you are brain-washed by religion, culture and society to believe what is right and wrong causes all these feelings of guilt. People need to calm down and start thinking for themselves.
It’s not about not respecting your body, it’s about finding pleasure through your body.

I believe that keeping girls virgins are long as possible is yet another method of trying to control women.
And what’s the big deal with marriage? Life is too short for this

[mapenzi]

Sadik,
I totally agree with you are saying but I also think that some of these discussion do help others. Even if there is only one sincere person who profits from these disscussions in which ever way, big or small then it is well worth the effort.

I am deeply saddened by the fact that sex has been desensitized as have many other things in our day and time and reduced to the physical as oppsed to what it truly embodies..

"The right criterion of dealing with the problem of sexual intercourse is maintaining human dignity and in the department of human affiars, dignity is a condition that is an absolute prerequisite for the humanization of sexual relations by a spiritual quality that is still more important than dignity namely LOVE.

Human sexual relations divorced from love and from dignity are reduced to being nothing but the satisfaction of an animal appetite become spiritually degrading.

In non human animals, the response to the sexual impulse is unself-conscious and is therfore innocent. Moreover, in these animals' sexual lives sexual intercourse is regulated by built-in natural controls. In human life however, sex without dignity and love is not even beastly: it is spiritually and morally lower than the level at which nature holds the sexual intercourse of beasts."

This extract is from the disscussion Love and sex: the human spirit

Sex is recommended for marriage with a reason guys. I believe that if you are not ready for commitment, are not oozing with love true love (not the butterflies in your stomach type thing)then you are not ready for sex.


Life is complex: It is real and imaginary

[pipitp]

>Premarital sex does not cause emotional scars, people cause these scars. The way you are
>brain-washed by religion, culture and society to believe what is right and wrong causes all
>these feelings of guilt. People need to calm down and start thinking for themselves.
>It’s not about not respecting your body, it’s about finding pleasure through your body.

Nyawera, by that do you mean that one does not need to mature up before having sex? If thats the case then even the 9 year olds know that they can find pleasure through their bodies, so they go ahead and do it???

Its not about guilt its about making the wrong decisions which end up hurting you and the people sorrounding you (that includes your child too)

[teejay]

Alright everybody listen up.In this life since the beginning of the great contorversy there has been two things in conflict with the other one.

Darkness and Light others night refer to the former as bad and the latter as good,vice and virtue name it all.

I tell you what sometimes we become erromous by allowing the darkness into us,but even so the virtue in us always convicts us for a good course.But look some have ignored the conviction such that error is life to them.They adore it,worsip it.Woe unto you for that is the sign that the spirit of the Lord no longer keeps you company for it repels from abominous activies and keeps its distance from the sinful souls.

We being humans in their right state of mind have been given the abilty to denounce that which is evil and proclaim that which is Good.It is therefore upon one to make a choice between good and bad.Choosing to dwell in filth is usually at one's on peril.Abiding in virtue on the other hands adds more wisdom to one's knowlegde.

Sex as it were originally meant is not bad.Most of the time I like to base my ideas deeply from the bible from which all the teachings that guide us lie. The bible terms premarital sex as fornication.If this is the word of God which stands clear about premarital sex who are we then to ignore it and do as we please???. It is said in a certain community in kenya that listening to wisdom is more delicious than chewing the succulent tail of a ram.

Wisdom says sex before marriage is wrong.

For those of us who have already done it maybe out of ignorance or peer or anything els influncial. The bible says that even though our sins are as red as scarlet they shall be cleansed and our hearts shall resemble the whiteness of snow.All we need to do is simple welcome the Lord in your life.

I say it is wrong and let us all obey the Lord.

[P M Donn]

At the risk of sounding permissive, I will say that it depends on how you have been brought up - if you were brought up to believe that stealing oranges is alright as long as the owner is not looking, just because it has been ingrained in your system does not mean that it is the right thing.
Therefore, God has put a foolproof way for us all. Sex is intimate, especially for ladies, and therefore He created the marriage setup in order that those who are meant to be together then sexual intimacy is something they reserve and give each other as a gift.
Go test drive your car?
Is that what a woman is to you?
Practice makes perfect?
Is that what sex means to you? A game?
We love each other...
How about waiting till the time is right?
The reason why sex is sometimes negatively construed is because it has been so furtively practiced that even under the right premises it tends to be downplayed. It's "specialness" has not changed hence the need even with unrelenting pressure to not give in!

[teejay]

Nyawera does it mean that you very much in agreement with premarital sex?????

[teejay]

>Premaritial sex is wrong but if you are
>in love or think you are in love then I
>say go with the flow....

Which flow???? The river, the traffic .....

which flow

[japolo Mayienga]

So from what I see here,most of you fellas are virgins,right?

Wacheni zeni especially you, Lovely lips.With a name like that you must have really done stuff now you just pretending