[Vipiman]

> My Lord, I henceforth, apply for a
>discontinuation of this action for lack
>of evidence and as vexatious and
>malicious.


DENIED Mr Sadiq.

{{{ Turns and faces Wakili}}}
Please proceed counsel...;-)

[Muramati]

Sadik,

With modern sexual habits I think men can be raped by women. All it takes is a strap-on device that can penetrate an orifice and the crime will have been committed.

Grapes,

There is much to be said for the absurd justification of marital rape.

Would it be better to rape a prostitute as opposed to a virgin?

Rape is always heinous crime; a crime violating a person's dignity,

M

[Wakili]

Muramati and Sadik

You be interested in this story,


Friday, 16 March, 2001, 18:28 GMT
Girl, 18, convicted of canal rape
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/...00/1225124.stm

Here are some extracts,


Between 1997 and last year a total of 14 women were charged with rape in London alone.

Opening the prosecution, Richard Whittam, had explained to the jury that although Marsh was female it was still perfectly possible to convict her of rape.


By holding her down "while the event was taking place", or simply "encouraging" the others while being prepared to lend a helping hand, she was just as guilty as the actual rapists.



I will be back with my response on marital rape.


I am too blessed to be stressed

[ciru]

could u guys also clarify that jumping on someone and kissing them by force, & pinching someone's ass, are sexual assaults whether or not this is a person known 2 u.

[Shee]

ITS TO
>SECURE A CONSTANT REALIABLE LIFE TIME
>LAY, and to a lesser extent
>offsprings.Now when a jammaa invests in
>this, inexchange for your craved
>commitment,protection, security crap
>etc, forget that.Your kumas belong to us ,
>that deal was sealed when we paid bride
>price.By the way we pay bride price paka
>waleo be it rural or tao areas.Dont use
>that silly argument that maybe she is
>tierd or has a headache..please we are
>not stupid we have empathy and can tell
>when its genuine.
>BOTTOM LINE WHEN A MAN'S WIFE REFUSES
>WITH THE KUMA..HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO
>TAKE IT(AGIAN WE ARE NOT STUPID WE CAN
>TELL IF SHE IS GENUINLY SICK OR USING IT
>FOR HER OWN pycological explotitional
>GAIN WHICH IS UN-ACCEPTABLE)..HE HAS
>AREADY PAID FOR IT AND AGIAN HE IS THE
>ONE WHO MAINTIANS IT.

Right yet very, very, very misguided. You need to respect her descion. That is very chuvenistic of you.

All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing!

[sunaisa]

Ya'll. This is a serious issue. I'm glad that someone brought it up! In the course of our discussions let us not forget that sex is not purely a physical act, it transcends the physical. God intended it to be the ultimate expression of one's love for another person. Now, if you view it in that light...ask yourself this. If someone took something that was yours, yours and yours alone. Irrespective of whether it was your mother, father, brother, sister, stranger..WHOEVER...
would it not be theft? Why would you call it something else depending on who did it? In the same way, it doesn't really matter whether you know the person or not. When one is raped, one is RAPED. Full stop. One is violated. One's person - both physical and emotional - is violated. Now, yes, in a marriage the partners already have knowledge of one another...but it doesn't change anything. Yes, they are two different scenarios...but when your husband/wife does it, in my opinion it reduces them to a person in the street. Love doesn't do that kinda crap.
I see in this some similarities to slavery and wife battery. Slave owners consoled themselves with the Bible and notions that Africans were lesser beings. Wife beaters and molestors do the same thing. These notions that women need to be controlled or dominated...and can even be bought are what keep us down. All in all, it is a sad attempt to elevate oneself by stepping on another.
As for the 'man' (I use the word only in a biological sense) who spoke about it being his 'right'.... if you had a daughter, would you feel the same? I pity you because the beauty of love-making lies in it's absolute surrender of one person totally to the other. When taken by force as one's 'right' it is mere sex. A simple exchange of bodily fluids and perhaps a few grunts on your end. You could NEVER satisfy a women totally going into it with that attitude and what's even worse, you will never be satisfied either. Your satisfaction will only be a delusion. Men like that are destined to go uncontrollably from one bed to another. In search of satisfaction...but never knowing it. You may force her to have sex with you...but she'll never make love to you! No one can take that.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
Mahatma Gandhi