[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

with that said, he has been hurting out candidate very muc, and thats why i have a slight distate of him. Initially 30% of Americans thought Obama was a muslim. Now they realise he goes to church, but guess what now they hate the church he goes too.

in my opinion, obama's political opponents were determined to find something radically other about the man, and if wright didn't exist they would have still found something else to pin on him. they weren't able to prove he was a muslim so they did the best they could do and exposed his relation to wright (and by implication to black radicalism and marxism). mainstream america is scared of black america. it's that simple. if you spend enough time reminding voters that obama really is black, then you succeed in injecting that fear into people's minds. watu wanaogopa difference. if you repeat something enough, then people become obsessed by it- that's where the media's coverage comes in.

wright isn't such a big deal. his church is mainstream as far as churches go. the intolerance in his rhetoric is the same intolerance you hear from other denominations (religious rhetoric is painful to listen to if it's directed against you). if the man was a dangerous criminal he surely would have been arrested by now. i mean, he was in the marines, or is it the navy, and his church assists poor people. he makes noise about america, but he also serves america. that's benign, far as i'm concerned. he has earned the right to make noise.

by the way, america has come far, you're right. lakini for poor urban and rural americans, there's really not that much of an improvement. especially with this globalization deal (and drugs infiltrating their communities). they have a right to express their grievances. and akina wright have a right to speak out on their behalf. civil rights helped in the growth of a black middle class, and that's who has really gained. lakini poor people in this country have it much worse in some ways than they did 50 years ago. and i'm not just talking about black people, i mean all races. poor white americans, native americans, hispanics and others also have grievances but nobody is listening to them right now.

[Type R]

Originally Posted by al-zalzalah

...that's where the media's coverage comes in.

wright isn't such a big deal. ...

The media has ganged up against Obama, in the last month or so. They were even talking about it on Al Jazeera last night.

[acq]

To understand Rev Wright one has to understand the history of African-American.Whereas some have moved on, there is the type which has refused to let go.

When Trevor Smiley dismissed Obama as not being black enough, what did he actually mean?I was skeptical on how AA will behave in South Carolina but Bill clinton handed Obama the votes.When he dissed Obama run as being a fairly-tale,AA forgot their differences.They are normally so protective of their own and sensitive to racism.

Obama's exotic background was kind of hard for AA to identify with him.So, where does Rev Wright come in?

AA are divided into two categories
a] The Challengers
B} The bargainers

Who are the challengers?
- bitter with the system
- see white people as enemies and not comfortable among whites
- they are always on the offensive
- angry
- play the race card at anything
- believe the goverment owes them for slavery and majority are on welfare,food stamps etc
-they are the majority
- they believe the are black enough
example is Rev Wright {extreme} etc

who are the bargainers?

- are the minority
- popular among the whites
- have learnt the system and blend easily
- they rise among the whites
- give whites the benefit of the doubt
- normally viewed as sellouts
- they are seen as not being black enough
- they are not angry or bitter
- Example is Obama, Rice, Colin Powell etc

When Obama ventured into Rev Wright church he wanted to identify himself with the challengers to win the senate seat.When Wright was left out at his launching of his presidential run ,he was pissed.I believe Obama gave him the
benefit of doubt but after his nausist {sp} moment at the AP,he had to be thrown under the bus.He couldn't continue with his message of unity with this baggage.North Carolina agreed in a landslide.

[DEEKAMATA]

Originally Posted by Nvlope

Wright is a racist and this whole thing about slavery in America is well, a bit tiring! Wright was never a slave and it is time that the black person in America move away from the victim mentality or be content with a perpetual state of chaos. Keep on supporting some mindless hate filled racist and justifying his words/ actions with the suffering of the black man. If anyone actually thinks Obama will be elected if he sticks by this man or that the plight of the black man will be solved with racial hatred then I have some ocean property in Missouri I would like to sell you.

Pain goes away with time but the scars of pain always remain,Wright and the likes of him we see today are scars of slavery - time can't heal them, show you how that sh*t was f*cked up man.

[DEEKAMATA]

Originally Posted by acq

to understand rev wright one has to understand the history of african-american.whereas some have moved on, there is the type which has refused to let go. When trevor smiley dismissed obama as not being black enough, what did he actually mean?i was skeptical on how aa will behave in south carolina but bill clinton handed obama the votes.when he dissed obama run as being a fairly-tale,aa forgot their differences.they are normally so protective of their own and sensitive to racism. Obama's exotic background was kind of hard for aa to identify with him.so, where does rev wright come in? aa are divided into two categories a] the challengers b} the bargainers who are the challengers? - bitter with the system - see white people as enemies and not comfortable among whites - they are always on the offensive - angry - play the race card at anything - believe the goverment owes them for slavery and majority are on welfare,food stamps etc -they are the majority - they believe the are black enough example is rev wright {extreme} etc who are the bargainers? - are the minority - popular among the whites - have learnt the system and blend easily - they rise among the whites - give whites the benefit of the doubt - normally viewed as sellouts - they are seen as not being black enough - they are not angry or bitter - example is obama, rice, colin powell etc when obama ventured into rev wright church he wanted to identify himself with the challengers to win the senate seat.when wright was left out at his launching of his presidential run ,he was pissed.i believe obama gave him the benefit of doubt but after his nausist {sp} moment at the ap,he had to be thrown under the bus.he couldn't continue with his message of unity with this baggage.north carolina agreed in a landslide.

if wright, rev jesse jackson, al sharpton and others are challengers who play race card at anything, then where would you have categorize the great malcom x, rev luther king, Rosa parks or Harriet Tubman. These are great people - some gave up their lives for a black man freedom and dignity, perhaps obama wouldn't be standing here today if it wasn't for these people. Of course white folks are uncomfortable with rev wright sentiments,they don't want to be reminded of terrible injustice done to a black man.slavery is one of the worse hideoes atrocity ever committed by man kind. It's hard to have change without acknowleging the past the bargainers you mentioned are just a few who dance to a white man's tune,why do you think bush could't keep powell as secretary of state after the first gulf war? because powell was no longer keen on iraqi invasion, he could't dance anymore.

[acq]

Originally Posted by DEEKAMATA

if wright, rev jesse jackson, al sharpton and others are challengers who play race card at anything, then where would you have categorize the great malcom x, rev luther king or sarrah parker. These are great people - some gave up their lives for a black man freedom and dignity, perhaps obama wouldn't be standing here today if it wasn't for these people. Of course white forks are uncomfortable with rev wright sentiments,they don't want to be reminded of terrible injustice done to a black man.slavery is one of the worse hideoes atrocity ever committed by man kind. It's hard to have change without acknowleging the past the bargainers you mentioned are just a few who dance to a white man's tune,why do you think bush could't keep powell as secretary of state after the first gulf war? because powell was no longer keen on iraqi invasion, he could't dance anymore.

Rev jesse jackson and al sharpton are civil rights activists.They dont challenge the system they fight injustice.When rev luther King was shot he was addressing the needs of sanitation workers.He had moved from being a challenger to seek common ground with whites.Rev wright has the black values and hence a challenger who comes along with a lot of bitterness,anger and baggage.Thats the reason why whites are so skeptical about Obama and whether he believes in rev wright values example After 911 he said 'The chicken are coming back to roost' 'God Damn America'
instead of God bless america etc etc...
So,Deekamata the challengers had their role in history and i believe they have been overtaken by events.The American people are facing common problems foreclosures,economic problems,gas prices etc etc Thats Obama's message.