[snowcard]

[GATABS.]

If we genuinely want to find the answer to this question, lets first take a hard look at ourselves with no exception.Our leadership merely reflects society.How often have at best semi-illitrate people been elected to the august house?How often have individuals incriminated in graft been elected?How often do our polticians surprise/shock us and we still take them back?
The systems in place are such that anyone can establish a politial party that only gets a lease of life a few months to elections and is in a state of hiatas the rest of the time.Political parties that should infact be tools for democracy rarely have any input on the same.
Most Kenyans are tribalists and politicians use this so well against us and we are only too happy to oblige being used and we ask why things are as they are....
Because we have made them that way!

[majuu]

Originally Posted by GATABS.

If we genuinely want to find the answer to this question, lets first take a hard look at ourselves with no exception.Our leadership merely reflects society.How often have at best semi-illitrate people been elected to the august house?How often have individuals incriminated in graft been elected?How often do our polticians surprise/shock us and we still take them back?
The systems in place are such that anyone can establish a politial party that only gets a lease of life a few months to elections and is in a state of hiatas the rest of the time.Political parties that should infact be tools for democracy rarely have any input on the same.
Most Kenyans are tribalists and politicians use this so well against us and we are only too happy to oblige being used and we ask why things are as they are....
Because we have made them that way!

It couldn´t be any further from truth, this statement! It is really time we take a hard look at ourselves first. Our society is more rotten than we´d want to accept. This is sad! But, it is good that, for the first time someone has actually pointed at the core of our problem. I´m convinced, it is the first step towards total emancipation and free from "mental slavery"...

[omostembo]

Originally Posted by Type R

The list looks small because it deals with public figures. If we look for small heroes/heroines in our daily lives - nurses, teachers, businessmen, sportsmen - we will find many. But as soon as we cross to public service, it's like there's a virus that targets people entering the public service. Or maybe public service attracts crooks exclusively...

Meaning in short there aren't clean public servants and if they get in while clean the bug immediately bites them. That's what happens in a society (Kenya) that unashamedly uses places like churches to make money. The same guys/women that troop to church on Sundays are the same people that are corrupt to the core. Unless something divine sweeps across the country we will be where we are for a very long time to come. We talk of vision 2030 yet in this age and time it takes 3 months to get a replacement identity card (I applied end of April na sijapata - I bet someone wants a bribe!). All said and done I would vote for Mwalimu Mati - listening to his contributions on Kiss 100 (Wednesdays) he comes across as someone who can resist that bug.

[chemical]

As MUK said, sober talk....

If clean people are being corrupted by institutions then the institutions should be overhauled...for eg

political parties are based on personalities but should be based on principles and policies that will out-live individuals....and people vote for the party and what it stands for regardless of who is standing...only the knowledge that the vision of a party will live beyond a personality can do this....so if someones behaviour threatens the party...aende!

as for me i would like Mutava on that list....

[goigoi]

Does this look like a good list???


1. J. Falana-is he alive???
2. M. Shikuku
3. C. Ngillu
4. J. Donde
5. J. Mtumishi kathangu
6. J. Orengo
7. A.Nyongo
8. Prof. Ouma Muga
9. Bethwel Kiplagat
10. Prof. Wangari Maathai
11. Prof. Ali Mazrui???
12. Mwalimu Mati
13. Mutava Musyami???-
14. Maina Kiai

[Alja]

Originally Posted by goigoi

Does this look like a good list???


1. J. Falana-is he alive???
2. M. Shikuku
3. C. Ngillu
4. J. Donde
5. J. Mtumishi kathangu
6. J. Orengo
7. A.Nyongo
8. Prof. Ouma Muga
9. Bethwel Kiplagat
10. Prof. Wangari Maathai
11. Prof. Ali Mazrui???
12. Mwalimu Mati
13. Mutava Musyami???-
14. Maina Kiai

Inakaa kaa Ngilu ameanza tabia mbaya! If she continues with those underhand deals in appointments, does she qualify kuwa a clean good leader?

[crystal meth]

^what is this all about? smoke weed, be merry!!

[smirk]

Kenyan society is made up of opportunists…its all about self-survival and there is no virtue of “serving the society” that has been ingrained in us since childhood. End result is that we get no “natural leaders” unless there is a self-serving money element involved in any “for the better of the society” activity.

It is no wonder then, that our politicians continue perpetuating this element of self when in office…they will always lie and connive to get there…once there, the rest is history.

The motto of leadership and not competition always MUST start in the family unit…sacrifice for the common good if you will.