The more I think about, an Obama-Clinton ticket is the best way to win. In fact, right now, I think they are just jostling to see who will be The Big Kahuna and who will be V.P. Anything less, and they've given it to the Republicans.
Those so-called "red states" -- those ones that always vote Republican, I don't think Obama can take those away from McCain. Add to that, the fact that he lost the "big states" to Hillary, and you can see how the Democratic Party superdelegates may press these two candidates into a compromise.
I would consider voting for Obama, but there is no way on GOD's green Earth that I would vote for him if Hillary was his VP. I cannot stand that woman.
Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.
I would consider voting for Obama, but there is no way on GOD's green Earth that I would vote for him if Hillary was his VP. I cannot stand that woman.
Very many people share your reaction to her. I've heard people call her "divisive." Some people look for emotion in her face, and she's like a robot, there's no human passion.
My problem with her is that she's Democrat yet she voted for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. She probably thought Iraq would be an easy job, which itself shows her very poor judgement about world affairs (a general problem with Americans). Yet she is working overtime trying to paint Obama as the inexperienced (and therefore incompetent) one.
I would consider voting for Obama, but there is no way on GOD's green Earth that I would vote for him if Hillary was his VP. I cannot stand that woman.
Obama must have done his surveys and realised that Hillary would be a liability as a running mate. This means it's a fight to the bitter end, since their supporters are incompatible with each other.
The beneficiary of the Clinton-Obama spats is someone who now looks good by default - John McCain - yikes! Click here to enter!!!
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Originally Posted by msema ukweli kabisa
"Democrats would even vote for a chicken if it was running against this idiot republicans."
Article cited above: "Republicans are no longer underdogs in the race for the White House. To pull that off, John McCain has attracted disgruntled GOP voters, independents and even some moderate Democrats who shunned his party last fall."
"It's not that I'm that much in favor of McCain, it's the other two are turning me off," Mason said of Clinton and Obama, the senators from New York and Illinois, in explaining his move toward McCain."
Seems this Dem wont vote for a chicken after all..
"Peace has come to Zimbabwe."
- Stevie Wonder, singing in 'Master Blaster' (1980)
Ok, maybe. 404 pledged delegates remain, with 187 at stake in Indiana and North Carolina today.
* Indiana: near-dead heat, Hilary advantage by maybe 4%-points
* North Carolina: Obama advantage, by 8%-points, he's suffering from "ex-pastoritis" (caused by infection with 'rev-wrightium' bacteria)
Clinton cannot win the popular vote, but can she convince the June 3 superdelegates that Obama has lost momentum? If she wins both Indiana and North Carolina today, hmmm, maybe. As the other thread is saying, Reverend Wright, shut up!!!
See y'all tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Peace has come to Zimbabwe."
- Stevie Wonder, singing in 'Master Blaster' (1980)
The contest between Obama and Clinton is very tight. The winner will probably be determined by a technicality, or luck, or something great or stupid one of them says or does, or some damning thing from their past. Either way, the Hillary and Barack contest is very close to 50-50.
On the Republican side, the nominee has already been decided.
Which leads to the question: if Obama wins the Democratic Party nomination, what happens to Hillary's massive number of passionate followers? Don't assume that they'll vote for Obama, end of year. No, no, no, no.
Understand this: Many people do not vote for a candidate, they vote against the other candidate. Negative voters, I call them. Consider this: many people did not vote for Raila per se, they voted against Kibaki, his clique and Kikuyus in general on Dec 27.
Many of Hillary's supporters are actually Obama's opponents, nothing more. They think he's inexperienced and hey, he's black, or at least a "Pointi." If Obama wins the nomination, they will cross over to the Republican side during the general election. In a 50-50 contest, that is a nightmare for the grandson of Kendu Bay.
McCain faces no such bad dreams. With a nomination victory margin of around 82-18, the behaviour of that 18% cannot bother him at all during the general election.
If Hillary wins, should she worry about how Obama's supporters will vote? In this case, the race factor may help her. Obama's disappointed supporters may feel more comfortable with her than with the Republicans. This may giver her the edge, in fact more than an "edge" -- a massive boost.
Obama's charisma and oratory skills give him the tools needed to fight any outflux of democrats to the Republican side in the event of nomination, but he'll be walking uphill. His two negating factors -- inexperienced and black -- may weigh against him.
The Politics of crossing over from one party to the other(when defeated) is PURELY KENYAN and does not apply to Americans.
I advice that you donīt compare US politics of ideology to Kenyan style of let my stomach get full no matter what!!
Sir, I beg to disagree with you on Democrats voting for republicans if their choice is not the final nominee.
In the US, We have democrats (that remains democrats) and republicans (that remains republicans)..
the politics of crossing over from one party to the other(when defeated) is purely kenyan and does not apply to americans. I advice that you donīt compare us politics of ideology to kenyan style of let my stomach get full no matter what!! sir, i beg to disagree with you on democrats voting for republicans if their choice is not the final nominee. In the us, we have democrats (that remains democrats) and republicans (that remains republicans)..
You seem to have missed some of the links i posted.
quotes included. If you're on mozilla broswer, click here.
Notable quotes from the article: -
indiana homemaker ginger smith, 48, said she was with clinton all the way and would not vote for obama. "i believe a woman needs to be in the presidency," smith said. "he's too smooth and doesn't have enough experience. ... I don't trust him, that's my gut feeling." and if the illinois senator is the democratic nominee? "i'll vote for mccain," smith said, referring to republican sen. John mccain of arizona. But on reflection, she tempered her response to say, "i probably won't vote."
later in article...this is the most important and goes to refute all my "naysayers" in this thread!!!!
thirty percent of clinton supporters said they would not vote for obama in november if he were the nominee, according to an nbc/wall street journal poll released last week. twenty-two percent of obama voters said they would not vote for clinton
elsewhere: -
obama supporter julie mccormack, a coffee shop worker from scottsdale, arizona, said the shrill and endless democratic contest prompted her to check out mccain on the internet. "the two of them bickering -- i just can't watch them on tv anymore, i just can't watch it. All of that really annoyed me and bothered me," she said. "i am leaning toward mccain because he seems like a decent person."
exit polls show most republicans who have crossed over to vote democratic in this primary voted for obama, responding to his message of reaching out to work across party lines.
all this has been said and closed already. What more do you need? do i need to force the donkey to drink water at the river? should i put it on a drip? so, all you airheads who think that democrats never vote republican and vice versa, need to explain how the presidency switches from party to party over the years. Simple non-voting can't eliminate candidates. Sometimes i think mashadites are in primary school, setting themselves up as usa-experts ati just because you passed t.o.e.f.l.!
22% of obama's 50% wouldn't vote for clinton, ie clinton would get 78% of obama's 50% democrats, a 39%-point gain.
30% of clinton's 38% wouldn't vote for obama, ie obama gets only 70% of clinton's 38% popular democrat vote, 27%-point gain.
Of course, these figures fluctuate from day to day, from poll to poll. but as it stands today, hilary if nominated would gain more voters from obama than vice versa.
jaugenya, don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!
"Peace has come to Zimbabwe."
- Stevie Wonder, singing in 'Master Blaster' (1980)
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The truth of the matter Rev wright has damaged Obama's image. Obama is struggling to get the support of white working class, which has now proved to be his greatest obstacle in getting the nomination. If Clinton wins North Carolina and Indiana it will really hard for Obama to get the nomination regardless on how the delegate math might be. Clinton will have proved he is the tougher opponent for Mcain come november. On the other hand if Obama wins North Carolina and Indiana its all over for Clinton. if they split the states its back to the status quo and Mcain wins.
The truth of the matter Rev wright has damaged Obama's image.
I watched Wright the other day - he's not as "radical" as the media have made him out to be. I was actually surprised at his simplicity.
However, "image is everything" and the mass media - including internet - control image. Wright is making the mistake of trying to "correct misunderstandings" by being "honest" and "frank." He should know that white America is built upon a healthy dose of dishonesty and hypocrisy and that by "clarifying" he is spoiling it all, naive old man that he is!!!
"Peace has come to Zimbabwe."
- Stevie Wonder, singing in 'Master Blaster' (1980)
One of "the late" Hillary's campaign ideas was that Obama could not take the big states. The latest (June 3, 08) polls show that he leads: -
* California, 55 collegiate votes
* New York, 31
* Ohio, 20
* Illinois (of course), 21
* Michigan, 17
On the other hand, McCain has: -
* Florida, 27 (where GW Bush nicked Al Gore and led to a meaningless horrible war)
* Georgia, 15
* New Jersey, 15
* North Carolina, 15
* Pennsylvania, 21 * Texas, 34
The big picture looks 50-50, with a slight edge to Obama, so Obama-vs-McCain will be another "down to the wire" scenario, just like Obama-vs-Hillary.
Obama gets 280 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win, according to SurveyUSA. Obama wins in most polls.
Other polls: -
USA Today/Gallup, Obama 49, McCain 44
Rasmussen Tracking, 46-46, Tie
Gallup, 45-46: McCain +1.0
Pew Research, 47-44: Obama +3.0
Newsweek, 46-46 Tie
Reuters/Zogby, 48-40: Obama +8.0
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